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Surf PI Dual Field - Trial Run

bdahunter

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I brought my Surf Pi Dual Field back to Bermuda from Canada last week and this weekend I got it out for some preliminary trials in Bermuda waters. The first thing I noticed about the DF was the big coil but the light weight compared to my Excal 1000, this new machine swings like a feather compared to the Excal. The light 12" coil was a real treat in the wet sand and ankle deep water but once I got out to knee deep and deeper the lightness was a negative feature because the 'neutral' bouyancy coil is actually a 'positive' bouyancy coil. The stock S shaft made it difficult to keep the floating coil firmly on the bottom, especially when there were irregularities in the bottom. A weighted sock full of sand would cure this but I'm thinking about other options that won't increase drag underwater as this coil likes to swing fast, I'll let everyone know when I brainstorm a better solution.

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On Saturday evening I took the DF to my beach to familiarize myself with it as I know this beach inside and out, plus I've pounded it into submission with the Excal 1000 for the last 2 years and it rarely produces anymore; if the DF could find targets here then it would be a significant improvement over the Excal. I only managed 3 targets in 1 hour in the water with the DF using standard settings. The targets were a fishing weight (12"), a heavily encrusted spark plug (8") and an old iron ship's spike (over 18" deep), not exceptional but the odds were stacked against the DF on my hunted out beach and it was only a 1 hour trial.

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This morning I caught a late Surf Church at Horseshoe Bay, this beach was heavily sanded in by Bertha a couple of months ago and has produce very little since then. I had a new plan for this morning's hunt and set the Gain at Max to the stop, the Delay I left at zero or off and the Threshold was barely audible. In the wet sand the DF gave a little chatter but had no problem sourcing bottle caps and pull tabs over 18" deep (this is the nut on the left of the picture, my beach nut is on the right). I'm going to have to get a better feel for ferrous vs. non-ferrous or I'm going to have much bigger biceps.:laugh: After almost an hour of heavy digging in the wet sand to knee deep water I decided to try going to the Mine and the DF started to squeal as the big swells would roll past. It was very tricky keeping the coil on the bottom without any extra weight on the coil, as the salt water pulled past the bottom of the coil it would let out a squeal with each wave. I found a little shelter from the 3' - 4' swell behind some rocks and the DF quieted right down. Almost immediately I got a solid tone without any of the scrathiness that seems to define ferrous targets, 3 x 12" scoopfuls later I had a 10k white gold band in my scoop which was also the only target I came across in the Mine. Having cooled off in the Mine and seeing that the lifeguards were starting to straggle in I bailed out of the surf and called the trial a success.

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I found a few more ferrous than normal but not an awful lot more, as I learn the ferous tone better this should decrease significantly, especially on deep targets. Running the DF flat out in the low mineralization of Bermuda wasn't a big problem so I think it's a winner and will only get better when I outfit it with a straight shaft and some weighting.

Cheers,

BDA:cool:
 
Great report. Looks like when you get the DF outfitted the way you want, things will really start to heat up for you.

JC
 
Sounds like a favorable trial run, keep us posted bda. I was afraid of the neutral bouyancy coil though, and your results confirmed that fear. I do not undertand why White's would not put a weighted coil on a submersible, go figure?
 
I also mount the box on a belt, and swing it around to the small of my back. Try setting the gain at about 11o'clock. I've only been out twice with mine, so far it's comperable to my Surf P.I. Pro... and, it DOES find hairpins!
 
I was thinking along the same lines but I thought an epoxy mix might be better. I'm still trying to decide on what to fill the stem with for best results and sand will do no harm if it doesn't work. I've already got the Gain turn to full strength so I think setting it to 11 o'clock would give me less depth at least that's what has been suggested to me, the DF is not unstable at full gain in my conditions, a bit chattery but stable.

Cheers Mate,

BDA:cool:
 
it just changes the "pulse frequency". Sometimes the lower setting is better for gold. I used to run my Surf PI almost all the way up, and now I run it also at about 11 o'clock. It's quieter, without so much chatter, and I seem to get really good depth. I also have the volume control inside the box turned as far as it will go (COUNTER-clockwise for full volume).
 
BDA... Leave the Pulse Delay at the factory setting using it you will lose depth as it will mask out small bits of foil and aluminum but you will also lose deep nickels and gold... I run my Gain at 3-4 pm and it chatters but I can still pick up the deep whispers... your threshold is also used as your sensitivity I keep mine at 1pm loud enough to hear deep whispers but quiet enough to cut out some chatter... as to keeping it on the bottom I have no problems with it at all as I hold it on the curve of the handle and I have with my PI PRO as well... Looks like you did ok with it :)
 
Here's some settings that may help:

Pop the cover and turn the volume trimmer to max.

Wet sand:
Sensitivity = 2:00 - 3:00
Pulse delay = preset or 9:00 to ID hair pins (they will give a weak, hollow signal)
Threshold = 10:00

In the water:
Sensitivity = 9:00 (I know this sounds crazy but in the water you won't loose depth but will get rid of the "wave" action. Increase it if you can without the falsing).

These settings work for me. As far as the coil is concerned I don't consider that a problem. The rod fills with water and weighs the coil down. Hope this helps. I've had an incredible two months with mine.
 
I switched to straight Plugger shaft and it helps. But being 6`4`` I had to buy "tall man lower tube" and with it floating again became an issue. Especially I feel the difference after my "weighted" PI PRO.

I have to push it down real hard to keep on the bottom.
 
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