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STATE OF THE MD INDUSTRY ADDRESS

dirtfisher

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:detecting:Disclaimer: The following is just the opinion of the writer and is not meant to discredit or recommend:look: any metal detector companies. :cool:It seems the industry is in a time of transition. Whites has discontinued a fine series of detectors called the Pro Series and has introduced the Prisms and Matrix M6. It is my prediction that the Matrix series will prove to be unpopular just like the Quantum series was. Used Spectrums, Pros, and Eagles are going for unusually high prices on Ebay. Garrett remains about the same continuing to produce ugly green and yellow detectors that feel uncomfortable and seem to lack depth. Fisher has sold out to Bounty Hunter. They should have stayed with the CZ and 1200 series. Tesoro insists on naming their detectors after the Spanish tradition and the new detectors are cheap looking but colorful. They probably perform about as well as any. Bounty Hunter shows promise. Their service department is excellent. Detector prices are reasonable but their units look like mufflers on a stick. Most of them have a notch and auto notch mode that people dont use much. Minelab continues to be good detectors but overpriced. Troy is working on some new models. Compass is trying to hang on. Lets hope the future is better! HH , DF.
 
Hi DF: You are discussing one of my primary metal detecting interests here. Regarding the industry being in a state of transition, I sure hope so. I think that you can only come up with so many new bells and whistles before the detectorists say, "What's new?" I think it is very similar to the auto industry. As long as there are plenty of customers who crave these machines, there's no motivation for real technological advancement. "This years model comes in Pearl color and has a 55 speaker system, too." But the public, at least here in the U.S., are starting to get tired of the "New, but nothing really new" offerings. I think it is a generational thing. The baby boomers accepted a certain level of technology, and that was that. Now we have new generations who feel (quite rightly) that we could do much better in the designing of these things if we really wanted to. And they are starting to demand it. So yes, you will probably see some manufacturers disappear, as they were more focused on marketing than on real tech innovation. Other companies will arise, or transform, out of necessity. The new generation is basically saying, "We can put a man on the moon, but I have to buy this obsolete technology?" So yes, it is more hype than anything else right now driving the market. I find it interesting that many detectorists feel that it is impossible to design a metal detector that could do this or that. I guess they are content with the current technology. I never was. I always felt that most of these detector companies were having a hard time thinking outside the box. I know that designing and marketing a completely new type of detector is very risky, and "Let the competition introduce it first" is the current philosophy.
Overall, I would say you are right about the manufacturers that you cover in your post. I'm not an expert or even a dealer, but I have been involved in TH'ing for many years. One thing that I think I would have to disagree with you about is Tesoro. You are right in saying that most of these companies are about the same, just as a Ford or a Chevy is. But from what I gather, Tesoro makes detectors that are better than average. And you are right about MineLab being in sort of a class by themselves. But they are not THAT much better, and they are very pricey. More hype. I think things will start to develop soon, as detectorists becomes more discerning and demanding. How about a detector with a MP player in it? (Just kidding) I think that some GPS technology in a detector could be useful, though. Just as the American public is starting to become much more discerning and demanding about automotive technology. Just don't hold your breath.
Happy hunting, Kevin in Ipswich, Mass.
 
:whites::cool: Hi Kevin, I agree with your observations. If only the metal detector companies would listen to the customers and what they are saying. Especially in these chat rooms that are used by real detectorists and not just engineers. It takes both engineers and designers coupled with field testers and everyday users to be successful. Best Wishes, DF.
 
Actually they do that on the Teknetics t2 forum. BH monitors the forum and makes changes to the T2 as problems or suggestions come up. First time I have ever witnessed that from a metal detector company. Thats why that machine is so awesome.
 
:cool: Hello Jeff, You know,...the more I deal with Bounty Hunter the better I like them. The service dept. is #1. The units are affordable. They are in step with the latest technology. These other companies had better keep a close eye on them!:look: HH, df.
 
I got into metal detecting while living in Tombstone AZ., in the late 70's. There were plenty of old mine sites to detect as well as numerous ghost towns in the area. Tombstone never was a ghost town, but had plenty of abandoned properties. Public land was open to detecting.

Now I live in Florida. Florida is becoming more restrictive to all modes of hunting for relics and artifacts. These restrictions apply to all categories of public and state controlled land. While mostly a dirt hunter I'm beginning to understand why Beach Detecting is so popular in this state and other states that have, open to the public, beaches. But how long before beaches are restricted also, and who would champion that fight on the side of MD hobbyist's?

You would think a logical choice would be the Metal Detector Manufacturers and companies that sell their detecting products. But have they ever stepped up to the restriction problem and taken a public stance? Are they lobbying on our behalf in those states passing more restrictive regulations. There are some serious fights going to take place in Virginia and Maryland soon and MD manufacturers are keeping a very low profile. If we can't find any place to use their products our loss is assuredly going to be their loss.

Its a lot easier to go fishing in my state than to find public metal detecting sites, and the state is happy to sell me a license to do so. As long as I obey the rules I can fish. But how many times have I seen posts on the MD forums talking about MDers obeying the rules, and eliminate bad practices to keep public support. But no matter what good we do the restrictions mount. I'm not an advocate of licensing, but it might be a place to start to gain access to parks and public land.

Its been said many times that MDers are small in number when compared to other hobby's, and the market for detector units is small and limited. But what if there was no market at all.

It might be time to stop pushing the metal detecting industry to produce better high tech products and to start pushing them to put their industry on record that our fight is their fight. Do they have a dog in this fight. You bet, and its a big dog called profits. Why else would they market detectors? I'd like to see forum discussion on this.

Disc me out , HH Don
 
Like motocross bikers who go out for a scramble in the woods the police helicopters will chase them. Come to think of it i have had police helicopters watching me on several occasions when out in the country doing a bit of detecting. Go within 10 miles of a military base with a detector and see how long it is before the helicopters come to spy on ya. I was once detecting on the coast line in a field and noticed that a ship that looked like a coast guard ship was spying on me, not long after i was booted off the field by some dickhead farmer in an landrover. The bottom line is this :- METALDETECTING as a hobby IS VIEWED WITH SUSPICION AND HAS A BAD NAME BECAUSE YOU ARE CLASSED AS EITHER 1 A VANDAL 2 A ROBBER 3 INSANE.
 
I continue your list with a few additions. But I can't say it any better than you did RingProfessional. We are just not liked and I might add it isn't going to get any better. I was in Washington D.C. the end of April, not long after the North/South organized hunt at Fort Powhatan (?), an historic site on private property. The property was leased from the owner for the event. The papers played it up big with a loud chorus of professional archaeologists and local historians screaming HISTORICAL DESECRATER'S. A big point was made about comments by some of the participants discussing a Mississippi Inf find, and what it might be worth on the relic market. The point made by the Press was that all hunters were in it for the money. The Press did not treat the hobby and the event kindly. The property owner said he would lease his property to anyone. No Archie's or Historian came forward (paid professions aren't they). But bad Press is not a good thing.

Some MDers might not favor organized relic hunts. We are a diverse group and I think many are loner types like me. But organized hunt leasing is ONE way to go and when combined with a positive view of finding and preserving historical items, gain good Press and public support. Maybe I should have posted this topic on the Relic Forum.
But the N/S Hunt does beg the question - WHERE IS MD MANUFACTURER SPONSORSHIP AND THEIR PUBLIC SUPPORT for this type of event? Are they interested in what direction the MD hobby takes? :shrug:
 
Notice the TIT in the middle of the word above - this another well known fact that all politicians are COMPLETE ArSSe HOLES :) , A polititians duty is to ban everything enjoyable and fill jails up with dope smokers!. Any way back to metaldetecting , my own personal opinion about the future of metaldetecting is bleak. To cut a long story short the hobby will gradually shrink because of 2 main reasons as follows.
1 Sites will quickly over the next 10 years dry out leaving nothing much in the soil except trash and modern finds , many will loose interest in the hobby and as a result many detector manufacturers will close leaving just a few big names like whites and minelab.
2 New rules and regulations will tighten up leaving few places to legally detect on. The end is nigh.
END OF STORY.
 
I agree with you, but must say my older Tesoro Pantera is a wonderful notch unit with low and high tones, lacking depth but having the notch
width set to my specs makes a wonderful parks machine for clad and just loves gold rings...as its an older Tesoro your probably 100 percent correct in your post as the newer Golden U-max with four tones and multiple notches leaves little to be desired....
Certainly a good post and my feelings as well...
 
However misunderstood has to be intertwined along the way. Heck all my in laws and outlaws and the like think I am crazy, but heck they hit a little white ball and chase it or walk around in a circle on a dirt track so what do they know...
 
They want it all for them selfs , so they try to get metal detector users a bad name. The time team on uk tv are a good example of Grave robbing looters who will use jcb bulldozers to dig peoples gardens up they stop at nothing to get the loot, if they see you detecting with a 4 inch garden trowel then they class you as a vandal.
 
[quote dirtfisher]:cool: Hello Jeff, You know,...the more I deal with Bounty Hunter the better I like them. The service dept. is #1. The units are affordable. They are in step with the latest technology. These other companies had better keep a close eye on them!:look: HH, df.[/quote]

BH detectors are very under-rated.

EC
 
I can't disagree. Maybe that is the future of the hobby.
Paid organized hunts in the USA attract a very small percentage of those involved with detecting. USA Metal Detecting Club membership I believe is equally low in numbers when compared to the total ownership of metal detectors in the US. I think all should be labeled as independent owner/operators. There are some US national organizations but I see them doing little. Thats why I think it important that the Manufacturers step forward and show some support for their cutomer base. Maybe in the US on a state by state basis.

So does anyone know how many USA detectorists are digging the ground and wading the beaches? How many of us'uns can we muster? I uderstand the Brits have 40,000 plus. I don't know about other countries.

There are influential (affiliated with the GOV) professionals in Florida that want to ban all non-professional (no Mders need apply) searching for artifacts, relics, and historic coins. If something is found by fortunate accident , they want it handed over.

If RingPowers predictions come true it would make my day to turn over a handful of zinc pennies to those idiots. By then the ground will be littered with them.
 
The future of metal detecting can only decline in my opinion. Main reasons are that their is a lot of dealers trying to sell to a limited market. In the UK their is tons and tons of dealers all competing with each other. People are buying lots of secondhand machines off e - bay this factor alone must affect second and detector sales.
 
Some of my machines from the mid-90s seem to go just as deep as my newer, more expensive ones... one in particular, an old Garrett "Freedom" Ace, has better target separation (in modern trash) than any machine I have (six total).

True, the newer machines have more bells, but actual performance hasn't greatly improved. An exception might be my Tejon... likely the deepest machine that Tesoro has yet made.

The future of our hobby, from a public opinion standpoint, might look bleak... us, the hobbyists, need to promote our hobby as a Legitimate Recreational Activity, which it is!

More important than ever to fill those holes, carry out the junk, and be courteous to the curious bystanders. Hell, WE know that we're not thieves and grave-robbers, but there are plenty of people out there who will proclaim to the contrary.

I don't look to the manufacturers to fight this battle for us. We are the ambassadors for the hobby. It's a shame that we don't have a MD ers version of the NRA looking out for our rights.

Steadily I am seeing more city and county parks posted as "off limits" to Metal Detectors. A great shame really as it's an excellent way to get youngsters more interested in the outdoors as well as getting our lazy butts out into the sunshine more often. I hope the day doesn't come when I simply have to stick my machines in the closet and forget about them.

Skillet
 
I have a B/H pioneer101 (also known as the TrackerIV) and although it was my first detector, and my introduction to detecting , I think it is a great little detector. I have found coins in the sand at 5+" and my first gold ring on the beach. It may not be as 'gutsy' as my XLPRO but at $1oo. it's certainly affordable. It only weighs a couple of pounds and I can swing it all day and find things. Even with the XLPRO most of my finds are less than 4" deep. If you're coin shooting a park and not looking for any 'deep-relics' it is a great little detector. And because it is a turn-on-and-go unit, it will be a great starter unit for my grandson when he is ready to go 'tectin' with his PaPap! Thats my thought on Bounty Hunter detectors.
 
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