Square Bent Nails mimicing Coin Next to Iron Nail

[Tony N (Michigan)]

Just went out for a short hunt with the Deus and Gary's Ultimate program.

The yards are littered with rusty nails.

These nails give off the type of sound like a coin next to iron. I'm not sure what the solution is other than just don't dig them and possibly lose a nice old coin that really is next to a rusty nail.

I realize that sweeping the coil 90 degrees from the good hit, one can test if it really is just an iron nail or not. But that is not always the case.

For instance, lay a dime next to a long rusty nail. Sweep the coil against the length of the nail. It will hit the dime. No sweep 90 degrees along the length of the nail and the dime disappears.

If anyone has a solution, I'm all ears. I have never found one detector that can hit the dime both ways.

At least I found a bottle opener and a bicycle link. LOL.

 

[CZconnoisseur]

Just dig it out when in doubt - like you said there may be a coin hiding in there! Happens all too often for me to NOT dig it....you just never know!

 

[squirrel1]

Tony,
All of the above average separating detectors I have ever run,,,,bent nails like in your pic,,,detector will sing on.
Go for Deus LF coils and HF coils too.

Fence staples,,,those will sound dynamite on Deus and some other detectors.

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

Just dig it out when in doubt - like you said there may be a coin hiding in there! Happens all too often for me to NOT dig it....you just never know!

Why can't they make a detector that, rather than detecting ferrous/conductive properties actually detects the elements of gold, silver, copper?

Imagine a detector that would disregard completely pull tabs and detect the actual element of gold? "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."

 

[Charles(Sabre)(Tx)]

I recognize those words by the late...John Lennon.
"Imagine"

Charles
PS---the concept is amazing though...a true gold or silver detector!

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

If any metal detecting company was able to have a detector detect the element of gold or silver or copper rather than ferrous/conductivity of coins/jewelry, it would put all other detecting companies out of business.

 

[RichW]

Sure would make it easier right? But if it was easy everyone would own a detector. I could see parks, and beaches full of people swinging detectors. More holes, more damage and many more laws and places off limits. I'm pretty happy with things the way they are. The only thing I'd like to change is my age. Getting old sucks.

 

[Blank Planet]

well I agree with getting old sucks

and yes the aluminium keeps my gold safe till i get there

but really if I could have one super power it would be xray vision see ring under ground go pop it out too easy sit on my butt and find the gold then go grab it

BP

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

Sure would make it easier right? But if it was easy everyone would own a detector. I could see parks, and beaches full of people swinging detectors. More holes, more damage and many more laws and places off limits. I'm pretty happy with things the way they are. The only thing I'd like to change is my age. Getting old sucks.

Well, it would be nice if I could invent such a detector just for myself.

 

[Frank in NH]

Then you would be called one way Tony!

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

Then you would be called one way Tony!

Is that a bad thing? LOL

 

[Charles (Upstate NY)]

If any metal detecting company was able to have a detector detect the element of gold or silver or copper rather than ferrous/conductivity of coins/jewelry, it would put all other detecting companies out of business.

Current machines can do this now to a degree, but the information is in the tones, its subtle and you have to train your brain to listen for it. I only have 90 minutes on my Deus so I don't know how good its tones are yet.

On my other machines gold stands out, its SMOOOOOOOOTH and buttery. If you dig enough gold with a machine that has good tones you can begin calling your shot on gold with pretty good accuracy. But I had to dig a fair amount of gold for this to cement into my brain, its subtle. A gold ring with a split band, split at the solder point also very distinct.

Ditto for silver to a degree, there is information in the tone silver vs copper. To me silver dimes and quarters sound on the edge of being harsh and unpleasant, fingers on a chalkboard almost but also has some sweetness, purity. Copper is more mono toned and flat. Large cents lose the harshness of silver but sound strong and thick. Big silver halfs and dollars sound strong and thick like large cents, lose a lot of the silver harshness but not all, and are a bit deeper/lower in tone and retain that purity of silver tone.

The most stand out example for me are Merc dimes. The deep strike relief on those dimes make them sound different from say barber dimes, the Merc's have a bell like bong to the tone vs other silver dimes. I remember a guy who scanned a wheat cent, then smacked it lightly with a hammer and scanned it again, it totally changed the tone.

Platinum, probably the most distinct tone I ever heard. You might try to wish a stainless steel washer into a platinum ring but a real plat ring wow.

So tones, yeah. Its not all good news, see this honker diamond ring, it sounded exactly and I mean exactly like the 880 pull tabs I dug that summer in NH.

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

If any metal detecting company was able to have a detector detect the element of gold or silver or copper rather than ferrous/conductivity of coins/jewelry, it would put all other detecting companies out of business.

Current machines can do this now to a degree, but the information is in the tones, its subtle and you have to train your brain to listen for it. I only have 90 minutes on my Deus so I don't know how good its tones are yet.

On my other machines gold stands out, its SMOOOOOOOOTH and buttery. If you dig enough gold with a machine that has good tones you can begin calling your shot on gold with pretty good accuracy. But I had to dig a fair amount of gold for this to cement into my brain, its subtle. A gold ring with a split band, split at the solder point also very distinct.

Ditto for silver to a degree, there is information in the tone silver vs copper. To me silver dimes and quarters sound on the edge of being harsh and unpleasant, fingers on a chalkboard almost but also has some sweetness, purity. Copper is more mono toned and flat. Large cents lose the harshness of silver but sound strong and thick. Big silver halfs and dollars sound strong and thick like large cents, lose a lot of the silver harshness but not all, and are a bit deeper/lower in tone and retain that purity of silver tone.

The most stand out example for me are Merc dimes. The deep strike relief on those dimes make them sound different from say barber dimes, the Merc's have a bell like bong to the tone vs other silver dimes. I remember a guy who scanned a wheat cent, then smacked it lightly with a hammer and scanned it again, it totally changed the tone.

Platinum, probably the most distinct tone I ever heard. You might try to wish a stainless steel washer into a platinum ring but a real plat ring wow.

So tones, yeah. Its not all good news, see this honker diamond ring, it sounded exactly and I mean exactly like the 880 pull tabs I dug that summer in NH.

Thanks for sharing that, Charles.
I don't doubt you at all. Have you noticed one make of an Explorer, say the XS to have slightly different tonality than say an Explorer Se or Se Pro and different from say the E-trac on these subtle differences?
I have seen a distinct difference between my Explorer XS and SE PRO and E-trac as far as the chime sounds. But maybe I'm just getting older and not hearing as well?

 

[Charles (Upstate NY)]

If any metal detecting company was able to have a detector detect the element of gold or silver or copper rather than ferrous/conductivity of coins/jewelry, it would put all other detecting companies out of business.

Current machines can do this now to a degree, but the information is in the tones, its subtle and you have to train your brain to listen for it. I only have 90 minutes on my Deus so I don't know how good its tones are yet.

On my other machines gold stands out, its SMOOOOOOOOTH and buttery. If you dig enough gold with a machine that has good tones you can begin calling your shot on gold with pretty good accuracy. But I had to dig a fair amount of gold for this to cement into my brain, its subtle. A gold ring with a split band, split at the solder point also very distinct.

Ditto for silver to a degree, there is information in the tone silver vs copper. To me silver dimes and quarters sound on the edge of being harsh and unpleasant, fingers on a chalkboard almost but also has some sweetness, purity. Copper is more mono toned and flat. Large cents lose the harshness of silver but sound strong and thick. Big silver halfs and dollars sound strong and thick like large cents, lose a lot of the silver harshness but not all, and are a bit deeper/lower in tone and retain that purity of silver tone.

The most stand out example for me are Merc dimes. The deep strike relief on those dimes make them sound different from say barber dimes, the Merc's have a bell like bong to the tone vs other silver dimes. I remember a guy who scanned a wheat cent, then smacked it lightly with a hammer and scanned it again, it totally changed the tone.

Platinum, probably the most distinct tone I ever heard. You might try to wish a stainless steel washer into a platinum ring but a real plat ring wow.

So tones, yeah. Its not all good news, see this honker diamond ring, it sounded exactly and I mean exactly like the 880 pull tabs I dug that summer in NH.

Thanks for sharing that, Charles.
I don't doubt you at all. Have you noticed one make of an Explorer, say the XS to have slightly different tonality than say an Explorer Se or Se Pro and different from say the E-trac on these subtle differences?
I have seen a distinct difference between my Explorer XS and SE PRO and E-trac as far as the chime sounds. But maybe I'm just getting older and not hearing as well?

Explorer XS is a nickel eating tyrannosaurus, Explorer II not so much. They were fat juicy tomatoes on the XS. Some don't know but ML changed the design of the coil XS vs II even though the outer shell looks the same. Explorer II lost its nickel mojo tone wise. Beyond that I have not noticed any tone difference, though quality headphones is key with Explorers and I suspect Deus. Grey Ghost sharp and ice pick like, Sunray Golds oh yeah Explorer sweetness you want to hear the tone music use those.

I build tube guitar amps, play guitar and keyboard my brain is wired for tone.

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

If any metal detecting company was able to have a detector detect the element of gold or silver or copper rather than ferrous/conductivity of coins/jewelry, it would put all other detecting companies out of business.

Current machines can do this now to a degree, but the information is in the tones, its subtle and you have to train your brain to listen for it. I only have 90 minutes on my Deus so I don't know how good its tones are yet.

On my other machines gold stands out, its SMOOOOOOOOTH and buttery. If you dig enough gold with a machine that has good tones you can begin calling your shot on gold with pretty good accuracy. But I had to dig a fair amount of gold for this to cement into my brain, its subtle. A gold ring with a split band, split at the solder point also very distinct.

Ditto for silver to a degree, there is information in the tone silver vs copper. To me silver dimes and quarters sound on the edge of being harsh and unpleasant, fingers on a chalkboard almost but also has some sweetness, purity. Copper is more mono toned and flat. Large cents lose the harshness of silver but sound strong and thick. Big silver halfs and dollars sound strong and thick like large cents, lose a lot of the silver harshness but not all, and are a bit deeper/lower in tone and retain that purity of silver tone.

The most stand out example for me are Merc dimes. The deep strike relief on those dimes make them sound different from say barber dimes, the Merc's have a bell like bong to the tone vs other silver dimes. I remember a guy who scanned a wheat cent, then smacked it lightly with a hammer and scanned it again, it totally changed the tone.

Platinum, probably the most distinct tone I ever heard. You might try to wish a stainless steel washer into a platinum ring but a real plat ring wow.

So tones, yeah. Its not all good news, see this honker diamond ring, it sounded exactly and I mean exactly like the 880 pull tabs I dug that summer in NH.

Thanks for sharing that, Charles.
I don't doubt you at all. Have you noticed one make of an Explorer, say the XS to have slightly different tonality than say an Explorer Se or Se Pro and different from say the E-trac on these subtle differences?
I have seen a distinct difference between my Explorer XS and SE PRO and E-trac as far as the chime sounds. But maybe I'm just getting older and not hearing as well?

Explorer XS is a nickel eating tyrannosaurus, Explorer II not so much. They were fat juicy tomatoes on the XS. Some don't know but ML changed the design of the coil XS vs II even though the outer shell looks the same. Explorer II lost its nickel mojo tone wise. Beyond that I have not noticed any tone difference, though quality headphones is key with Explorers and I suspect Deus. Grey Ghost sharp and ice pick like, Sunray Golds oh yeah Explorer sweetness you want to hear the tone music use those.

I build tube guitar amps, play guitar and keyboard my brain is wired for tone.

Are the electric boards in the bottom picture for guitar amp?
I play guitar. Got me some nice amps, one of which is a Mesa/Boogie.

Tony

 

[crazyman]

Charles, do you sell your amps or is it just a hobby? My son is a lead guitarist and plays for different bands and does studio/session work in the Seattle area. He owns a couple of custom boutique amps. Not that he needs more amps or guitars because I somehow ending up paying for them. The latest for his recent birthday was a Duesenberg Caribou.

 

[Charles (Upstate NY)]

Just a hobby, I usually give them away to aspiring artists. I purchased a 20 watt amp at GC once out of curiosity, Egnater I think. It didn't do much for me so I put it up for sale. A guy came over to buy it, we agreed on price. Then he asked about the custom 100 watt sitting on my half stack, I let him plug in, he played for like 5 seconds and said, "whoa how much for that one" lol.

 

[BigTony]

Charles, I guess I am stubborn because I stil use the Koss UR30's even after many have said to get SunRay Pro Gold's.


Nickels take a little practice with the II but they too have different content and relief as you said merc's do. I love shooting for nickels, probably my second favorite clad coin.

 

[Tony N (Michigan)]

Just a hobby, I usually give them away to aspiring artists. I purchased a 20 watt amp at GC once out of curiosity, Egnater I think. It didn't do much for me so I put it up for sale. A guy came over to buy it, we agreed on price. Then he asked about the custom 100 watt sitting on my half stack, I let him plug in, he played for like 5 seconds and said, "whoa how much for that one" lol.

Did you sell it to him?

 

[Charles (Upstate NY)]

Just a hobby, I usually give them away to aspiring artists. I purchased a 20 watt amp at GC once out of curiosity, Egnater I think. It didn't do much for me so I put it up for sale. A guy came over to buy it, we agreed on price. Then he asked about the custom 100 watt sitting on my half stack, I let him plug in, he played for like 5 seconds and said, "whoa how much for that one" lol.

Did you sell it to him?

No he left with his lesser 20 watt store bought amp