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Splitting Hairs On Rings With The M6 (VDI Chart!)

Critterhunter

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Two friends (Fern & Jim) and I scanned in about 128 gold rings or so (refer to chart for exact number) using the M6 today. Jim just bought an M6 and I'm considering adding one to my line up. Many thanks to Fern for letting us use his test pool of rings, as well as helping us do the coins. Most of these same rings were used to compile a Sovereign GT ID chart a few months ago that I posted in the Sovereign forum. Maybe only 5 or 6 rings were excluded or added to either chart, so the test pool for both is pretty much the same.

These rings were found by an Excalibur water hunting over several years and at several locations, digging EVERY signal above iron, so this test pool of rings is NOT biased in any way. In other words, by people digging certain target ranges or only at one location where one type of ring (man's versus woman's) would be more common than at others. For example, you are more likely to find a small woman's gold ring at a kiddy playground, where as your more apt to find a large man's ring at a football field. These rings coming from several locations in the water digging everything above iron eleminate that kind of bias and are a true random sample.

This blows away the old slogan of "dig the nickle zone" on both machines. The reason why I feel that people always felt that way was on older machines the nickle zone was much wider and so you couldn't really seperate a lot of rings from where a machine said nickles fell. As people followed this old rule the number of rings dug in "the nickle zone" would be more than others due to people concentrating on that zone, and thus more people were finding rings that read like nickles and the bias was tilted even further.

Of course the old rule of "dig everything" still is the best approach at locations where the amount of trash is low, but there are locations where it would take you a life time to dig all the pulltabs out of that location. In these situations playing the odds is your best strategy to still recover a large portion of gold rings while avoiding most of the tabs. This is the reason for this chart, and it shows that you can avoid the vast majority of round or square tabs and still recover a large majority of the rings.

The tabs listed in this chart where roughly 57 or so round and square tabs taken from random locations and also when a friend was digging every signal above iron, so once again the tabs are not biased by location or by digging only certain targets zones. Again, this is the only way to take a true unbiased sample that won't favor one type of tab over another.

You could further discriminate targets by sound that fall outside of the tab numbers by only digging smooth, round, warm, sounding targets which tend to be gold rings. We found most of them lock onto one VDI #. Most trash isn't uniform in shape and so will tend to bounce around in VDI numbers. Even if they lock in to one number trash tends to sound hollow, harsh, tinny, or scratchy. That's a good way to eliminate other non-common trash targets that aren't tabs and fall outside the tab numbers. In addition, while tabs will for the most part lock into one number, we found that a lot of the tabs had a slight double sound off or slightly broken sound to them, and yet a gold ring with the exact same number sounded smooth and soft. That's a further way to discriminate by ear even if you plan to dig the tab range numbers.

In real trashy areas you could avoid the most common tab range where say 80% of them will fall. The chart below lists every tab number found and probably isn't the best way to avoid them. In the Sovereign forum I graphed all these tabs by recording each and every number they made, even if they were duplicates. This allowed me to assign a certain perctange of tabs to certain number ranges. Mainly, I found I think 84% of the tabs fell within 152 to 165 on the Sovereign GT VDI chart. A smaller percentage fell slightly outside that number range, and still yet several numbers within the entire range had zero tabs, allowing further detail to be shown. I left this random test pool of the same tabs with my friend so that he could scan them like I did to compile the GT's chart to avoid them, listing percentage of rings that fell outside of the most common number range. Today we only scanned those tabs and recorded their numbers, but did not record how many had the same number, and so that's what he plans to do so that more detail can be provided much in the same way we did for the GT.

Still, even with every single tab number listed in the chart below, you can see that there are a very large number of gold rings that do not fall on those numbers. And, like I said, when the tabs are re-scanned to graph percentages for them within certain number ranges, I feel you'll also be able to increase your number of gold rings by only avoiding the most common tab numbers (say roughly 80+ percentage of all tabs within a certain number range). This will increase your ring percentage while only bothering you with the odd 10 to 20% of less common tabs found at a location. Once you know where the beef of these tabs fall (when he posts that) you can then fine tune your "mental notch" for specific locations.

For instance, let's say you are finding certain tabs to be more common at a location that are just outside the most common range posted. You can try moving your window of undesired targets slightly higher to eliminate those tabs. When doing this you may wish to raise the lowest number your not going to dig by the same amount. If you find that you are now digging more low number tabs than you'd like you could return the bottom of this notch window to it's original number, or alter it by 1 or 2 digits at a time until you hit the right balance.

Remember, this is not an arguement against digging everything. We all know gold rings can read anywhere and everywhere. But, unless you are fooling yourself into believing that you'll spend your entire life digging every junk signal at a certain location that's too large and too loaded with trash to be realistic, you are faced with playing the odds. Much like playing cards you want to find out how you can increase your chances (rings) while eliminating your losses (digging yet another tab). With the proper numbers mentally notched out in your head you can still avoid most of the tabs and yet dig a really high percentage of the rings. We'll probably post some exact percentages for those still recoverable with certain percentages of tabs being avoided in the 80 to 90% range.

Further theory and reasoning on this strategy is discussed in the Sovereign forum under a thread with it's own VDI ring chart made with these rings and tabs. I'd suggest reading that thread if you want to get further information on why this method could be very potent in certain situtations and how to apply it properly.

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?21,1096415,page=1
 
Sorry. I would like to re-edit the above message in several ways to make it more clear and less ramble but the site won't let me.
 
When we re-scan the tabs you'll find an even lower percentage of rings rejected than the chart above by just avoiding 80-85% of the tabs or so instead of every number listed above. That's why we have to re-scan the tabs to figure out where the majority fall. I'm willing to bet that just avoiding numbers from like 22 or 23 to 34 or 35 instead of 20 to 37 as shown above will avoid eighty some percent of the tabs. It showed that for the Sovereign in that thread's chart when doing this. We want to run the numbers to be sure, though, before posting that data. Just the same, even with every tab number above rejected you still are getting the vast majority of rings.
 
This is a re-post from the COIN VDI chart thread but applies more to this one...Excuse any confusion in detail and clearity as I haven't had my coffee yet...

The current tab range is 20 to 37 but that's showing every tab number from our test pool instead of listing what number range to avoid to block out most of them (say 84%). I found with the Sovereign GT that only 8 percent fell onto the first three or four numbers and the last three or four numbers. More than likely you could just avoid say 23 or 24 to 33 or 34 on the M6 (instead of 20 to 37) and avoid roughly 80+% of the round/square tabs liike the pattern showed on the Sovereign. We're going to post exact numbers when we re-scan them to graph the percentages.

The Sovereign found a 20 digit wide window for the test pool of random round/square tabs. Scanning the same tabs with the M6 found a 17 digit wide (20 to 37) window of all those tabs. Using a less wide window on the GT blocking out about a 12 or 13 digit wide window (size of GT's notch) of those tabs (instead of 20) kills 84% of them. This window starts roughly 3 or 4 digits in and ends 3 or 4 digits before where the 20 numbers fell on the GT. In your head you can kind'a do the math and figure out where that would be on the M6's 17 digit wide (20 to 37) window of tabs as described above. Slight adjustments up or down to fine tune it for your site will avoid most of them while still recovering the majority of rings, much more than what the chart above shows blocking a wider window of targets.
 
The ring/tab data is being charted into a coin ID chart you can carry with you in the field. Refer to this thread for that chart...

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?31,1139021
 
Here's a new "condensed" thread more to the point about the findings of where the rings we scanned fell percentage wise on the conductivity scale. It's more useful data to be applied to any detector, as it generically lists the foil, nickle, tab, and coin ranges in terms of what percentage of rings fell where...

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?21,1720979
 
Lots of work in preparing the chart and I am sure some who like to program or preset their detectors, no mater what brand, will benefit from the information. I prefer to begin hunting a site by digging all targets and then based on the preponderance of trash targets, ignore certain targets that give the same signal (audio or visual) as these trash targets. I never discriminate out any targets except for small iron such as small nails, bobby pins, paper clips, staples, etc., preferring to make the decision to dig or not myself rather than have the detector make the determination for me by not accepting the target. Just my way of searching and certainly not the only way or possibly even the best way. To me the bottom line is use whatever method works for you and makes the hobby enjoyable as that is really what it is all about. Again, I realize and appreciate the work that went into making the chart and my hats off to you for putting forth the effort.
 
I like your first chart better. I have a mxt and my dear wife hunts with a m6 If you do not dig 18-20 you will miss nickels. My suggestion would be from 22-37 you will miss most junk but you still have to dig a lot of foil between 0 and 16 and that is where most of the smaller womens rings seem to be.
 
Thank you for the work you put into the charts, it's great information. I will be studying them.
 
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