Speak of the devil...orrr... buffalo nickel...

[WVAdirtdigger]

I just found my 1st buff of the year today. It was a no-date. It's pretty cruddy. I've got it soaking in lemon juice but I don't think I'll get a date off of it. Matter of fact, it was my only coin in 3 hrs today. It bounced from nickel to round pull-tab in enhanced mode. I put the 3D in salt and it locked in on nickel. Just thought I'd share this since this has been the main discussion lately.

 

[mtdoramike]

mid-tone or high tone? Salt mode should have been high tone as well? Mine has been IDing nicks as mid-tone

 

[Mark in NC]

nails 'em as nickels in salt. However, my old cruddy nickels hit as nickel in enhanced. I asked this question the first time I used the 3D on a playground and someone told me it's normal since enhanced mode is designed to move the cruddy ones (the old ones that have been in the ground a long time) into high tone, however it mis-id's new nickles as tabs since that what you're not lookin' for when using the enhance mode. (sorta makes sense I guess). I made a dummy discovery myself the other day when I realized the ground balance point for enhanced is different than salt on the same dirt. I know most of you guys already knew this, but it was a head hitting moment for me

Happy huntin'

Mark in NC

 

[mtdoramike]

You should be getting high tone. But mine hits nickels with a mid-tone in enhance mode and they read as beaver tail pulltab new and old nickels such as Buffulos register the same. With maybe an occassional bounce to high tone depending on how fast I whip the coil over the target.

Heck, I went out with my CZ70 this afternoon to the same spot I hunted with the 3d for the past 3 hunts and the CZ70 netted me 5 nickels all in high tone.

Now the 3d will hit nickels in high tone while in the salt mode everytime, but in enhanced mode, I usually wouldn't dig them because of the mid-tone, but yesterday, I dug two nickels with the 3d, which hit in mid-tone and showed pulltab on the meter, so I switched over to salt & sure enough, it was nickels which hit in the high tone & showed nickel in salt mode.

Well, I got the 3d boxed up awaiting a pickup order through UPS from Fisher so that it can go back to them hopefully for some fine tuning.

 

[Mark in NC]

high tones while in enhanced. Only in salt would they go high coin. I unfortunately haven't found enough old nickles yet with it to attest to how often they hit high while still in the ground. One cruddy deep newer style (not a buff) nickle hit high tone while in the ground, then went beavertail when out of the hole. It was deep in a old school yard and was dated in the 60's and looked like it had been there that long. Is this what the other longer using 3D users have found?...

HH'n

Mark in NC

 

[Bill W.]

Mark,

There seems to be a difference between 3Ds and how reliably they ID nickels between machines. Mine is IDing nickels like it's supposed to. There is a thread going at http://www.findmall.com/read.php?23,164790,164790#msg-164790 about this issue. I have only had 2 nickels miss-ID that I am *aware* of... Both nickels were very deep and right on the fringe of being detected at all. So, I really can't complain about that... Maybe the difference is a ROM issue or something. My 3D is one of the first ones they built. I bought it about a month after they were released. I'll have to remember to check the nickel signals when I meet up with another 3D user for a hunt in about two weeks. My buddy's wife has a 3D but she doesn't get out with us much because of working on the weekends.

-Bill

 

[Dan-Pa.]

CZ3D has the nickel segment widened in advanced mode to catch older nickels such a V and shield.
Taking into consideration the mettalic content thru the years, deep cruddy and the like should come in nickel, bounce between nickel and foil and yes some real deepies that have come in coins all in the ground and nickel when extracted so those that investigate are rewarded.By the way just may have a one dollar gold coin come up also...

 

[Jackpine Savage]

Bill,

Does the 3D hit the broken off tongue part of the older beaver tail tabs as high tone? Tabs/tab parts in general too!

Thanks
Tom

 

[WVAdirtdigger]

I know Bill won't mind me jumping in here. My 3D reads a lot of beavertails as nickels. Now I mean it reads nickel (enhanced mode) when only the beavertail part is in the ground by itself. If the round part is there with it, it reads PT. Most of the time it goes to PT when I switch to salt. But sometimes even salt mode is fooled by the right tab. I even hit a few SQ tabs that hit as zinc. Now that was irritating.

 

[WVAdirtdigger]

Mike,
Please read my original post a little closer. I did say that my buff went back and forth from round PT(mid-tone) to nickel (hi-tone) in enhanced mode and solid nickel in salt mode. By the way, the date appears to be 1915 or 16. It's still not real clear.

 

[mtdoramike]

the buff bounced between nickel & round pulltab, but you mentioned nothing about what tone it hit at.

If you were using a CZ5 or CZ70, I would have assumed it hit at high tone, which is where nickels hit on them, but on the only 3d that I've used, nickel as well as round pulltab hit as mid-tones in the enhanced mode. But in salt mode, they hit at high tone.

 

[Dan R.]

I just wonder about what is the actual design supposed to be.
Is it 'WIDEN' the segment for nickels in enhanced mode or 'MOVE' the segment a little in enhanced mode.

From what you state it seems a pretty good method of old vs new nickels. It would seem the way it was designed to work. Some of the other stuff I read below sure sounds wrong or out of kilter as to what Nasa Tom talks about.

Check the hit out by flipping the switch from salt to enhanced to get an idea if its new nickel or old or the pulltab possibility
If its widening the segment then it may work something like my cz70Pro does as it hits all nickels even dirty ones mostly all as nickels. the 4th tone covers other possibilities.

HH

Dan R.

 

[Dan R.]

They make tabs that sound like nickels.( or parts of tabs)

I blame them because some of the nickels found that have the same metalic reads were dates long before tabs were invented. tabs are to nickels as what gold is to pulltabs and foil. Every now and then a tab will just have to come under nickel no matter enhanced or not.



HH

Dan R.

 

[Bill W.]

Tom,

As Dave said the beavertail part does hit like a nickel. If it sounds deep and I open the plug and it's still in the hole it's almost always a nickel. I am starting to think Fisher changed a rom or somethings going in with some of these machines I am hearing about. Any CZ is a strong nickel machine and my 3D is strong on nickels too.

BTW, I put the FZ-12 on today at a park I have pounded hard. The FZ-12 was able to manage 5 wheaties, a Merc, and some clad. I've spent alot of time methodically hammering specific places of this park. So, to come away with any coins in the areas I have pounded is saying something real good about the FZ-12. Interestingly, my deepest coin by far was a memorial penny... Thought I had something real good at the depth it came from... go figure...

-Bill

 

[Bill W.]

To me it almost sounds like you are not only talking about where the needle is pointing but the tone also. To explain it simply for my 3D... anytime anything IDs as a nickel with the needle it is ALWAYS IDs by sound as a high tone. Irregardless of mode... salt or enhanced. I've always assumed everyones 3D acted this way. Do you follow me or am I chasing my tail?

-Bill

 

[mtdoramike]

I'm not concerned with what the meter reads since I hunt mainly by tone, but the meter always reads nickel as a round pulltab. This is in the enhanced mode. In salt, it will a nickel will hit at high tone and indicate nickel on the meter all the time no matter how old or new the nickels were.

Now stop chasin tail Bill! hahahahahahahahahaha

I figure we've about beat this nickel horse to death, so I ain mentioning it anymore until I get the unit back from Fisher and see what they say about it and if it ID's any differently.


HH,
Mike

 

[Bill W.]

Ok, I didn't want to assume anything... Dont' worry about asking questions about nickels... it's not beating anything to death. I would be doing the same thing and asking questions.... that's why I ran out in my backyard and tested some nickels for you. If I can help I will. HH!

-Bill

 

[Mark in NC]

high tone 5cents in both enhanced and in salt? If that's the case then mine could be outta whack....

HH'n

Mark in NC

 

[WVAdirtdigger]

Mike,
I didn't really get that as your problem. Needle reads nickel on meter but mid-tone comes out of the headphones? :?: If that happens, you DEFINITELY have a problem. Every time my needle reads nickel, I get a hi-tone as Bill said. That's why we misunderstood each other. I automatically assumed that by saying nickel, I meant hi-tone and by saying PT, that meant mid-tone. Now, I get your whole problem.:blush:

 

[WVAdirtdigger]

I don't think I could have put any more smileys in the title than that.