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Sovereign GT sounds in all metal

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GunnarMN

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learn the subtil diffrences targets make in the sovereigns all metal mode , for example a nails sticking straight up and a quarter, can you tell the diffrence it can be done the nails almost sounds the same as the silver qurter but has a bit longer end and is a bit grainey the quarter is a sharper cutoff and no grainyness sounds the sovereing makes in all metal
 
Hey Gunnar,

Nice demonstration and I certainly hear the difference. I have been tempted to start learning the all-metal mode but really want to concentrate and dedicate this summer in learning the different tones in Disc. All metal almost "sounds" easier in learning the tones ( no pun intended) I commend you for running & learning the GT tones with no meter. Awesome instructional videos keep em' coming.





GunnarMN said:
learn the subtil diffrences targets make in the sovereigns all metal mode , for example a nails sticking straight up and a quarter, can you tell the diffrence it can be done the nails almost sounds the same as the silver qurter but has a bit longer end and is a bit grainey the quarter is a sharper cutoff and no grainyness sounds the sovereing makes in all metal
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Gunnar, give the all metal pinpoint mode a tryout also, see how you like it.
 
There maybe more tones to learn, but each one tells you more about the target and so much easier to ID and get those left behind by others.
I know all of those around here that use the Sovereign feel like I do you got more depth in disc, better ID, so learn the Sovereignin disc, then try all metal if you like and decide for yourself which you like.
I feel all metal you could sweep faster, but miss many deep targets and spend a lot of time checking out those you think mybe good. That just my opinion from when I tried it.
 
I haven't owned a machine yet that was deeper in all metal than discriminate. Back in the day when discrimination circuits were real primative all metal was often deeper, thus that "myth" still lingers today. However, I am still testing my GT to see if all metal is deeper than discriminate.
 
I look at the SOV-GT as a dubble edged sword what i cant find in disq i can find in all metal and the pinpoint is like the tip of the sword,
 
Critterhunter said:
I haven't owned a machine yet that was deeper in all metal than discriminate. Back in the day when discrimination circuits were real primative all metal was often deeper, thus that "myth" still lingers today. However, I am still testing my GT to see if all metal is deeper than discriminate.
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Its not a myth at all and you should know it by now with all the "testing" youve done.

you posted this a few days ago:
Re: sounds of aluminum bottle cap, silver quarter,and beer bottle cap
Posted by: Critterhunter [ Send a Message ]
Date: May 20, 2011 09:51AM Registered: 1 year ago
Posts: 2,810

Dig in this forum as somebody a while back was saying All metal on the Sovereign had a cutoff point where anything above a nickle would sound off one way versus stuff below a nickle. Sort of a high/low versus a low/high if I remember right.

So with your own all metal testing can you say if this statement is true or false, having tested this mode it should be clear to you right?
Sorry, I dont mean to dispute for the sake of dispute, but its a shame forum members are continually discouraged from trying different modes and methods with their Sovs. They should be encouraged to try any and all methods and see what works best for them.
And FYI both the Tesoro TEjon and Vaquero are deeper in all metal, as is the Fisher F75, Tek G2, Fisher CZ series,Xterra 70(prospecting mode) and Whites MXT.
The Explorer/Etrac dont seem to have all metal modes like those just mentioned, just a wider disc range which allows in iron. The Sov does have all metal modes like those mentioned. These are the ones Ive used and can only speak of those. Ive probably used others but not extensively.
Again, no disrespect meant here, just wish everyone is encouraged to try all settings. It seems Gunnar is going that way and will find what works best for him/his area.
Gunnar if you read this have a look at Old Beechnuts posts here, he put up some vids on hunting his Excal in all metal. You can see first hand how his Excals all metal mode is the same as the GTs all metal pinpoint mode.
 
Not sure what your point is as your message is a bit confusing. I am not trying to discourage using other modes and even said in the above message I want to test it more. Many peopole believe all metal is deeper when in reality the machine is just sounding off better due to zero discrimination. No machine I've owned was ever deeper in all metal so long as you used no level of discrimination, such as the QXT Pro. Well, one exception...An old 80's Bounty Hunter I owned.
 
One point is Ive used the detectors Ive mentioned and they all were deeper in all metal mode. I truly wish the disc were deeper as that is the mode that offers the different tones on the Sov and likewise on my F75 it offers a wide range of tone options, but only in disc. All metal is a harder mode to hunt in and you have to examine every target, not something alot of people are willing to do. Learning to size targets helps alot but overall the disc mode is the easier one to use. On my F75 there is a numerical ID but it ends there, no tones, so you have to check each target by the meter. I wish the Sov at least did that. Ive never used a QXT so I cant comment on its all metal operation. You must know there is a difference between the Sovs all metal mode and its zero disc setting? whether its actually a true all metal mode I dont know, Im not an electronics person so perhaps someone can chime in on the actual difference. This is why I made the comment on the Explroers/Etracs, they dont have the seperate all metal mode like the Sov or detectors Ive mentioned. These all metal modes have no disc adjustment at all. Does this make sense now or is it still confusing to you?

The other point was youve been testing the all metal modes for quite a while it seems, so whats your own opinion of the high/low cutoff at nickel in all metal. I copied and pasted your post so it should be clear as you posted it.

Thanks!
 
Think of it this way...All metal doesn't make the signal go deeper in the ground. It's only changing the way the signal is processed. In certain minerals or in particular microscopic iron all metal may sound off to the target while discrimination is silent.
 
Thear is a diffrence at the nickle point BUT "" a quarter dime on edge will give a low signal in the middle and a nail pointing stright up will sound like a coin now thin aluminum items in all metal will give a low but if its round and as thick as a dime it will sound high its not fool proof but is right most of the time and i like the all metal it is deeper to me , a signal in disq must be a clean signal and it stsrts to get degraded bond 8" in my ground wear the all metal is far clear sounding but hay the 10" coil is only going to go so deep
 
Thanks for the reply Gunnar, youve obviously been testing the all metal mode. Have you tried the pinpoint all metal yet?

Two things I dont care for on the tracking/fixed all metal are the broad response which makes it more difficult to accurately size a target/shape a target and also I dont think the reset between targets is as quick as the pinpoint all metal mode.

good beach hunting weather is here now:clapping:
 
yes i have tried the pinpoint, In pinpont i can not tell what an Item is at all and i rarly use it uless i lose an Item but it goes deeper for sure
 
In actual hunting I find the disc goes deeper in my ground in ND and western MN, but if the ground been disturbed than all metal will go deeper. I have dug many coins in disc and when I go to all metal pinpoint I can not hear a signal so I have to pinpoint in disc. Now a preburried coin in a test garden I feel all metal will go deeper from what I have seen, but in the old parks I like my disc and going slow as it is easier to hear the tone change of a good coin.
 
Thanks for posting interesting.
 
I'm with Neil. Anyone who's really put the Sov GT through it's paces should know that AM is the way to find those deep targets. especially at the beach. I'll often switch back to disc to check the target and hear nothing,
 
An interesting thing to try in all metal would be silent search. It might make target sounds more well defined by cutting out the return to threshold before and after sweeping over the target and so provide a more distinct sound to targets. Just a theory, since a threshold doesn't offer target traits like it can in discriminate. It would at least make hunting more enjoyable by not hearing the constant hum. In discriminate I some times go to SS when covering large areas with little target activity.
 
Good point. :detecting:
 
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