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fsa46

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How many hunt in " All Metal " with the GT ? While testing my new 13" Ultimate I tried switching to " All Metal " and couldn't believe the serious depth I was getting in this mode. I mean deep, really deep.

I don't carry the control box around my neck so it was a pain in the butt changing back and forth, but the difference was so dramatic that I may have to rethink this.

I'm old school and hate changing old methods that work but this may change my way of thinking.

You guys hunting on Long Island looking for those old cobs just may get down deeper and getting those that you may have missed before. Then again you may already be hunting it that mode. What do you think Jim.
 
Would have been great if minelab could have carried over the tone feature that is on disc to the all metal mode. Also the great sizing feature you get with all metal.....
Ive tried but really never gotten the subtle differences that clive clynick speaks of in his books about the all metal mode. If I did, for around here where I hunt, I would have always used the all metal mode. So Im left to sizing for helping out with ID. Even the meter wont ID in all metal mode.
Some guys claim the Sov is deeper in the disc mode so I would guess its more a location thing that dictates which mode is deeper.
For me here in NJ at the ocean its all metal. And all metal pinpoint, never cared for the tracking version of all metal that is one the GT. In fact I got rid of my GT and kept my Elite.
 
I salt water beach hunt with my GT with the following settings:

Volume: Max
Notch & Discrimination: Both at zero always.
Sensitivity: All the way left in automatic ...then click OUT of it and leave it there
Threshold: Comfortable
All metal: ON
Pinpoint: ON and leave it there too
The metal Threshold and Band are both in the UP position....that's where they always stay on my GT.
Headphones: Black Widow
I get a signal. I stop. I center the coil over it swinging it slowly. I switch from all metal on to Disc on (one click down)
If the signal is still there I dig.
Listen carefully for a variation in the hum coming through your headphones. Go over the suspected target many times.
Sometimes the machine is telling you about a very deep target that is too deep to identify.
This is an ability you'll only gain through experience.
By all means, don't swing the coil fast...you'll miss tons of targets if you do...and swing the coil evenly and low...I made a homemade
harness that allows me to do just that. I have the recipe for one if you'd like.

My best find for 2013:
 
Do you not find the treshold to be unstable when you have the volume at max, or is it that I am swinging the coil a bit fast or not leval. I use the very same settings as you art from setting the volume at the 3 oclock position. I am using the black widows as well and the ultimate coil.
 
I too have had that problem. I found a cure for it and hope that what I'm about to say works for you too.
In any case please let me know.
Okay, as simple as I can make it. I don't wrap the coil wire tightly around the shaft. In fact,
I make sure I have enough cable wire to make very large slow and even sweeps. I do one more
thing that somehow works to silence that chatter. I use a leather holder for the machine. The holder
has a 2" hollow feed at the bottom which of course is for the coil wire. I wrap the cable wire loosely
from where it exits the hollow tube (going left with it) and place that feed behind the holder. Then I
secure that cable wire by simply pacing the headphone wire over it. There is no pressure on the cable
wire sitting between my stomach and the back of my leather holder. The headphone wire always keeps
the coil wire in place. I don't understand why this works but it does.
One other thing. I always change my batteries after their 2nd use. I figure batteries are good for 14 hours and
I usually stay out 5 to 6 hours at a time. It's money well spent.
 
fsa46 said:
How many hunt in " All Metal " with the GT ? While testing my new 13" Ultimate I tried switching to " All Metal " and couldn't believe the serious depth I was getting in this mode. I mean deep, really deep.

I don't carry the control box around my neck so it was a pain in the butt changing back and forth, but the difference was so dramatic that I may have to rethink this.

I'm old school and hate changing old methods that work but this may change my way of thinking.

You guys hunting on Long Island looking for those old cobs just may get down deeper and getting those that you may have missed before. Then again you may already be hunting it that mode. What do you think Jim.
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I have not used the 13 inch yet i like the 8 inch on beaches or my SEF12X10 plenty deep all though i have hunted in AM i mainly hunt in disc. with my box mounted mid waist i keep it lite as possible . HH Jim
 
Neil..... its unfortunate, but most machines that PROCESS a signal, and thats what tones or TID is, loose depth over those TRUE AM machines that just beep. Even PIs have that issue.... just a couple i know that have limited tones.... TDI and the Inf. I think we all debate both the Xcal and Sov as it comes to depth.... PP vs disc. PP on most VLFs should be deeper...theres no processing. However, on the Xcal conductivity comes into play. PP give you a very true picture of the target. What i mean from that you get better sizing and conductivitiy affects the response. Low conductors to me tend to be a weaker signal than in disc..... so those targets within the depth limit of disc still give off a pretty good chirp.... flip over to PP..... you go oh i could have missed that if i werent paying attention. Ive hunted in PP with the Xcal for a good while now so i have a pretty good feel for targets. During summer months i use disc a little more to cover more beach faster just becaue of recent drops and more hunters. In the winter, unless a lot of tragets exsist in an area i use PP and try and cover a beach a little slower. Location does make a difference..... but it always has as to which machine works best there.

Jim that 13" is one light coil. Im not a fan of those thin coil ears....especially if you intend on moving it in the water.
 
I do just about the same as you, I to hip mount the control box but use some duck tape to hold it in place so there is no strain on the cable. I dont wrap the cable on the shaft at all, I bring it straight up the shaft and taped in position which leaves enough cable for a large sweep. I think I am just going to have to practice slowing down and keeping the coil as level.
 
Neil too bad they couldn't find a way to put tone ID in the AM mode.As a land hunter I use the Sovereign in disc mode to cover an area to mine good finds.I have tried a Blisstool and a Whites TDI both very deep,but in my park environment too much work.The result with these two detectors too little return or a high volume of unwanted targets dug. HH Ron
 
Being a land hunter I too have to run disc because of all the trash in these parks and ballfeilds we detect. Even if it wasn't so trashy I don't know if I would use all metal to hunt with as I can get excellent depth in disc and feel I can hear those tone changes of the deeper targets in disc better than in all metal. I do have to go slower in disc to hear them and once I switch over to all metal to pinpoint them I find it hard to get a signal and have to go back to disc to pinpoint the target the best I can. I am sure in all metal you can swing the coil faster and this could work great on the beach, but for my land hunting I find by going slower gets me the deeper coins and don't have to stop and check each little signal out a person would get in all metal.
I don't know how the Sovereigns actually work, but I do know they work well and have always wondered if the BBS is actually in disc while all metal don't use the BBS as it is faster responding in all metal. The BBS with the signal processing is why you have to swing slower to get the deep signals of a good target.

Rick
 
Lets see what that harness looks like pictures ?????
 
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