Could someone please let me know what the audio response range is on the Sovereign GT in Hz. In other words, how many Hz is quarter, nickel, etc.? There doesn't seem to be much of a difference in tones between the various targets like there is with multi tones on the E-trac where it really screams over silver. Thanks
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Sovereign GT Audio responses in Hz
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dewcon4414
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Awww but the advantage isnt in the high tone for beach hunting. The Exp and ET near the water on tiny gold sounds a good bit like salt water falsing.... you really have to check those signals to ensure they werent. Its strength is in the lower register. Once i got the hang of it i started getting more nickels and smaller gold in the foil range. For dirt digging i prefer an ET with a TID range to help disc. But beach hunting..... at least on most beaches its just not needed. Keep it simple and check or dig everything but a shallow bottle cap which you learn to ID quickly. The tones are a little more squashed in the higher range and most of us still check a penny for those class rings. On a beach you arent looking for a reason not to dig.... tones change a good bit. Im also not digging a lot of deep deep signal. Its time consuming and ive hunted some of my beaches with a PI ...... not really a lot of targets that turn out to be gold in the dry sand that youd miss if you cover more ground looking for shallower signals. It saves time you cover more beach and at the end of the day..... you found it or you didnt. People been hunting these known beach for a long time now with a lot of different machines. So unless you have some real sand movement you are looking for gold at a reasonable depth.
Dew, I think the strong point of the Sovereign is in the lower ranges of tones.For those who want to separate silver from clad with a tone or ID reading this isn't going to happen with the Sovereign.I have found that copper, zincs,older wheat's,IHs and 1909 pennies will all have different ID readings.Example if you have not found any 1909 pennies that's because they will ID at 173 even lower than Indian Heads, which results with most 1909 pennies are passed over.The Sovereign will sort out nickles better than any detector I've used,with different readings and tones from the Newer Jeffersons,Older Jeffersons,Buffalo's and V nickles.The good gold rings have a distinct sound and no ID bounce.For my serious hunting the Sovereign is my go to detector,even though I like my Explorer.Most people will probably like the tones of the E-Trac or Explorer better,but I like that smooth high zing tone.Without no delay on the ID and the tone working together its like having a x ray machine scanning the ground.HH Ron
dewcon4414
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All those coins give different graf readings on an Exp..... as does fatties and flying eagles to Ron. Never used one of your meters but im told the Sov with one gives some pretty solid readings. Sov is just a bit slower recovering thou in trash. Maybe Ralph at SunRay will respond to you on this one...... i assume you are asking trying to figure out a good pair of headphones or speakers.
The Sovereign is different than the Explorers and E-Trac as far as audio which some like and some don't, I like the Sovereign audio my self and in the higher tones it don't make a difference if it is copper or silver. When you get to know the Sovereign well from experience you will soon see the way the signal act along with the numbers of a good 180 ID meter you will be able to tell a quarter signal from a penny/dime signal, even sometimes if it is silver or not all by the way the signal sounds like and how the meter will read the 180. Is it 100% accurate?? NO but it give a idea and if it is deeper in a old area chance are you want to dig it as it is a wheat penny IH or silver. I found that on a copper penny or dime it seems like I could get 179-180 bounce back and forth while if it was a quarter it seem to lock more on 180, now for silver it seems like this is mostly deeper, so I can tell the depth by the audio if it is not disturbed ground, deeper is a little weaker signals and many times you will be swinging slower or miss the signal as it may be weaker and thus smaller signals too. Now if it is a 179-180 bounce I figure it is a older penny like a wheatie if it seems to favor the 180 number there is a good possibility it is a silver while a more solid 180 is a quarter and if deeper it is silver. This is when I have my meter calibrated to 179-180 on a new dime. On a zinc penny or a IH and some early wheats I get a 176-177 on my meter while a 177-178 for me is normally a screw cap. Nickles always have a sound all to themselves and if not deep a 143-144 and some war nickles as high as 151, but has that nice sound to it, maybe it is just the round sound of it, but I think many will tell you they can hear the difference in the tone on a nickle. Now a deeper V or some Buffalo's I have seen the meter read as low as 139-140, but has the nickle sound to it unlike the beaver tail that reads 140-142.
Now while hunting I like to dig all the 179-180 readings and picking up it all, but if I only wanted to dig older pennies or silver I dig the ones that are deeper I will go for the weaker signals and swing slower, but the only time I do this is when the zinc pennies are real bad and it too is not 100% accurate, but helps.
On the Explorers the silver read a little higher in numbers and audio than clad, but it too wasn't 100% accurate either as many have seen when they expected a penny or dime and see it was a half dollar they dug and some with bad hearing such as me missed a lot of the weaker signals because the audio was so quick and back to normal threshold you may miss it while the Sovereign kept the tone of the last target so we could tell if the detector seen a different target. The Sovereign to me is quicker in responding to the targets also and didn't have to wait for the threshold to return to get a visual ID where the Sovereign showed a number as soon as the audio changed which to me may it so much easier to ID and more accurate too.
The meter on the Sovereign is basically a voltage meter and can be why the ID is more accurate more than what you can with your ears and why I have always recommend a 180 meter for those that are serious about digging more coins and less trash when out detecting.
With the Sovereign audio and the 180 meter I like those deep and weaker signals and many close to iron trash as I can get a signal close to what I want to hear, then work the signal looking for the good numbers of 179-180 area and find a coin beside a nail or other trash over the Explorers. The Explorers like the Sovereign are great detectors and does have some better features for some and I have a few around here that really do well with the Explorer and have hunted with them too and got coins they missed and they have got some I missed too, so it all comes down to how well you know the detector you are using and how the features help you find the finds you do, you just got to use the detector and understand it.
I been using the Makro Racer this year so far and haven't seen anything the Sovereign couldn't do better with, but got to use use it more and get to know it better and maybe see something it can do as good or better.
Rick
Now while hunting I like to dig all the 179-180 readings and picking up it all, but if I only wanted to dig older pennies or silver I dig the ones that are deeper I will go for the weaker signals and swing slower, but the only time I do this is when the zinc pennies are real bad and it too is not 100% accurate, but helps.
On the Explorers the silver read a little higher in numbers and audio than clad, but it too wasn't 100% accurate either as many have seen when they expected a penny or dime and see it was a half dollar they dug and some with bad hearing such as me missed a lot of the weaker signals because the audio was so quick and back to normal threshold you may miss it while the Sovereign kept the tone of the last target so we could tell if the detector seen a different target. The Sovereign to me is quicker in responding to the targets also and didn't have to wait for the threshold to return to get a visual ID where the Sovereign showed a number as soon as the audio changed which to me may it so much easier to ID and more accurate too.
The meter on the Sovereign is basically a voltage meter and can be why the ID is more accurate more than what you can with your ears and why I have always recommend a 180 meter for those that are serious about digging more coins and less trash when out detecting.
With the Sovereign audio and the 180 meter I like those deep and weaker signals and many close to iron trash as I can get a signal close to what I want to hear, then work the signal looking for the good numbers of 179-180 area and find a coin beside a nail or other trash over the Explorers. The Explorers like the Sovereign are great detectors and does have some better features for some and I have a few around here that really do well with the Explorer and have hunted with them too and got coins they missed and they have got some I missed too, so it all comes down to how well you know the detector you are using and how the features help you find the finds you do, you just got to use the detector and understand it.
I been using the Makro Racer this year so far and haven't seen anything the Sovereign couldn't do better with, but got to use use it more and get to know it better and maybe see something it can do as good or better.
Rick
dewcon4414
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Racer...... say its not true Rick..... you drank the coolade? Ooooo i see ya got a CTX as well. What are we going to do with you?
My question was about the audio frequency not the digital ID. Maybe I didn't make the question clear enough. In other words, for an example, does a nickel have an audio response of 150 Hz or 200 Hz, a quarter 300 Hz or 400 Hz. These are just hypothetical values because I don't know what their audio responses are. That's my question. Thanks
Sandy,the audio frequency is very close on some targets especially on the upper range.Most people won't hear the difference between a Silver coin or a screw cap.The audio frequency is converted into volts and this you can see with a ID meter.Example a quarter is actually 1.8 Volts a screw cap is 1.79 volts which you won't hear the frequency difference.With new users only time in the field will determine if the Sovereign will work for the user.Too often new users become disappointed with their Sovereign,because they don't log in enough time to learn.Good Luck Ron
Dew, there is always thinking the grass is greener next door so we just got to look don't we?? The CTX is gone right now from my detectors as I seem to dig so much with it and yet my coin count is low, just the opposite of my Sovereigns. The Racer is one I drank the cool-aid and haven't had enough time to know it was bad stuff yet and soon I hope I will know if it is staying or leaving yet, seems like I just got to try what is out there to tell if it will work for me and my hunting.
Happy hunting to all.
Rick
Happy hunting to all.
Rick
dewcon4414
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Maybe if Ron knows the Volts per target and you can find a conversion chart. Seems there maybe 2 1/2 volts to a Hz. Are you sure you arent thinking of Omns for headphones?
Rick..... i dont miss all those targets in the dirt. All these new machines seem to more relic machines..... i have noticed a lot of the Racers being resold. Might just be because of the price..... easier to let go of because you dont loose as much money on them. You ever though about a Deus? Pretty light single freq with fast response. For the beach ...... cant hardly beat a Sov or Xcal. Just because you dont need a lot of adjustments and they dont like iron.
Rick..... i dont miss all those targets in the dirt. All these new machines seem to more relic machines..... i have noticed a lot of the Racers being resold. Might just be because of the price..... easier to let go of because you dont loose as much money on them. You ever though about a Deus? Pretty light single freq with fast response. For the beach ...... cant hardly beat a Sov or Xcal. Just because you dont need a lot of adjustments and they dont like iron.
If trying to find out what the audio frequency range of the Sovereign GT is in Hz. For example, the audio frequency of the Tesoro Lobo ST is Approx. 330 Hz to 550 Hz. 330 Hz being the lowest tone, and 550 Hz being the highest tone. This has nothing to do with volts. Thanks
Wish I could help you with the audio frequency for the tones of the Sovereign.Another problem for an exact audio frequency this detector has a tone pot, most of the older or preowned Sovereign's including mine has had the tone pot adjusted to suit the users hearing.Just curious why is it important to know the tone frequencies. HH Ron
Ron from Michigan said:
Ron, this is basically just my curiousity at play. Most detecting manuals list the audio frequency range of the detector. It is not listed for the Sovereign.
For example, this is what is listed for the X-Terra 705:
Pitch can vary during target detection in the 130Hz-950Hz range. The
pitch depends on the Target ID that is determined during the detection.
It's really not that important, but would like to know and haven't been able to find that information anywhere. Thanks
My Sovereign is tuned so the highest pitch tone audio sounds like a mosquito.This is just a guess, a mosquito buzzing audio sound is from 17 KHz to 20KHz. The high end 18 KHz,but maybe this isn't correct,because a bass guitar 4th fret has a 38.9 hz to 164.8 hz? Here's one more a nickle sounds like a bumble bee, which the sound frequency is 528 Hz.LOL now I'm confused,maybe someone here has the actual audio frequency information.Thanks Ron