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Sovereign gets its' first GOLD and MY first gold of the year!

robby4570

robby4570

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I hit the RV park we live in again tonight, this time with the Sovereign Elite instead of the ACE 250 and I hit the same spaces I have hit before with the ACE. I used the ACE with 3 bars sensitivity because I was only looking for surface and just barely sub-surface targets and I cleaned up on clad with it! Well, with the Sovereign set at minimum sensitivity and 1/2 volume (this will mean something to you Sov users...) which is basically the same as the ACE settings I was using, hit this tiny little target that was just below the gravel in the dirt and SCREAMED at me! The clad I got (which is still soaking to clean but was 12 P, 2 N, 4 D) was all about as deep as what I was finding with the ACE in the same spaces BUT most of it was near other BAD targets like bottle caps, pull tabs and rusty screws... I am really sold on the capabilities of this Sovereign now let me tell you! I truly believe that the bad targets masked the clad I found tonight from the ACE on the previous 2 hunts.

Anyway, thanks for reading this and here's the BLING!!!

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Very Cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Way to go dude.GL and HH
 
That is nice!!!! Congrats.
 
:thumbup:Good hunt Jim
 
Very nice find , you lucky man,
 
NICE JOB! Yep, it ain't just about Iron Masking ON IMO helping to pull non-ferrous targets out of iron, it's also about this machine *sometimes* seeming to not average non-ferrous targets seen as "one" to something between them on the scale, or at least not as often in my tests with it compared to my other machines. I've masked coins with tabs and still got a 180 number. Not always of course, but I've also seen it drop only 2 or 3 digits and read like a zinc (which means still a digable target).

Of course it ain't always the case, and you will have a coin and say a tab average it to say like 158 if the tab was say 150 and the coin was 180, but I'm saying that I've seen that 180 or say a 173 or 176 # more often than not when I've played with masking like that. Another reason to not pass up zincs, because it could be a silver that is getting pulled down in VDI by some other target mixed with it in the hole. It seems it's taking the higher conductor and trying to bias the signal towards that end of the scale instead of just averaging the signal somewhere in between like I've seen more comonly on my other machines when testing that. Again, it's not an every time deal. Just saying it seems to happen more with my GT.

I'm sure that largely depends on how big each target is though. A bigger piece of aluminum at the same depth/overlapping a coin so they can both be seen in the field at the same time and I'm sure it'll pull the conductivity more towards the aluminum. Then again, it's the sum of the two sometimes maybe, so maybe it still tries to add up to 180? That's one to ponder for a while and I think I'll do some testing on that and maybe post a video.

It's possible for the field to see two targets in the field at the same time if they are at the same depth and probably have to be overlapping a bit. When that happens the field can wash over both, and then become "one" because that's how the field sees it. If you read Minelab's tech articles though it appears ferrous parts of a signal (such as a nail at the same depth/right up against a coin washed in the field at the same time) can be recognized and the non-ferrous part of the signal pulled out of it. That has to be possible otherwise why would the FBS machines be able to attempt to assign a ferrous and non-ferrous # to a target? That's what I think Iron Mask ON on the Sovereign is doing, but instead of trying to assign a ferrous # to the signal traits it's simply trying to ignore the ferrous part of the signal and sound off to any non-ferrous qualities if it finds any in the signal?

My latest Youtube video on tab/coin masking that I just posted goes more into this topic.
 
Critterhunter said:
NICE JOB! Yep, it ain't just about Iron Masking ON IMO helping to pull non-ferrous targets out of iron, it's also about this machine *sometimes* seeming to not average non-ferrous targets seen as "one" to something between them on the scale, or at least not as often in my tests with it compared to my other machines. I've masked coins with tabs and still got a 180 number. Not always of course, but I've also seen it drop only 2 or 3 digits and read like a zinc (which means still a digable target).

Of course it ain't always the case, and you will have a coin and say a tab average it to say like 158 if the tab was say 150 and the coin was 180, but I'm saying that I've seen that 180 or say a 173 or 176 # more often than not when I've played with masking like that. Another reason to not pass up zincs, because it could be a silver that is getting pulled down in VDI by some other target mixed with it in the hole. It seems it's taking the higher conductor and trying to bias the signal towards that end of the scale instead of just averaging the signal somewhere in between like I've seen more comonly on my other machines when testing that. Again, it's not an every time deal. Just saying it seems to happen more with my GT.

I'm sure that largely depends on how big each target is though. A bigger piece of aluminum at the same depth/overlapping a coin so they can both be seen in the field at the same time and I'm sure it'll pull the conductivity more towards the aluminum. Then again, it's the sum of the two sometimes maybe, so maybe it still tries to add up to 180? That's one to ponder for a while and I think I'll do some testing on that and maybe post a video.

It's possible for the field to see two targets in the field at the same time if they are at the same depth and probably have to be overlapping a bit. When that happens the field can wash over both, and then become "one" because that's how the field sees it. If you read Minelab's tech articles though it appears ferrous parts of a signal (such as a nail at the same depth/right up against a coin washed in the field at the same time) can be recognized and the non-ferrous part of the signal pulled out of it. That has to be possible otherwise why would the FBS machines be able to attempt to assign a ferrous and non-ferrous # to a target? That's what I think Iron Mask ON on the Sovereign is doing, but instead of trying to assign a ferrous # to the signal traits it's simply trying to ignore the ferrous part of the signal and sound off to any non-ferrous qualities if it finds any in the signal?

My latest Youtube video on tab/coin masking that I just posted goes more into this topic.
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I hear ya Critter... But I don't have Iron Masking on my Elite and I don't have a meter either. I am an old f@rt, I just go by sound but the MD has rewarded me pretty well doing it this way. Less distractions too. Sometimes when I get over a target I close my eyes, get into my "bubble" and swing the coil over the target from all directions before I do the dig/don't dig decision.
 
All Sovereigns have Iron Mask built into them, as well as the Excal too. It's running all the time in discriminate mode. It's just that if it's turned ON it will try even harder to pull non-ferrous signals out of ferrous ones.
 
Critterhunter said:
All Sovereigns have Iron Mask built into them, as well as the Excal too. It's running all the time in discriminate mode. It's just that if it's turned ON it will try even harder to pull non-ferrous signals out of ferrous ones.
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HUH? I see a switch on the GT, so that's an option they added to the GT over the Elite? The ability to turn it off/on I mean.... Is there a time you would want to turn it off?
 
robby4570 said:
Critterhunter said:
All Sovereigns have Iron Mask built into them, as well as the Excal too. It's running all the time in discriminate mode. It's just that if it's turned ON it will try even harder to pull non-ferrous signals out of ferrous ones.
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HUH? I see a switch on the GT, so that's an option they added to the GT over the Elite? The ability to turn it off/on I mean.... Is there a time you would want to turn it off?
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On some beaches the iron mask may cause more false signals. I run mine on all the time but have turned it off a couple of times when I had false problems. Robby, I did not know you had a Sovereign. Even the older ones are hot on the beach. You do not need a meter, the tones will talk to you. Meters can fool you into not digging. I run mine full volume, use your headphones volume controls if that is too loud. You will miss deep targets at half volume. I run sens 12 o'clock with disc and notch all the way off. If you false during your swings lower the sens but keep it as high as your beach allows. Keep using that Sovereign. You will park that Ace in the closet for beach hunting trips. Twice the depth of your Ace easy and that IS where the gold is. Congrats on your gold! Beauty!!
 
Robby, the Sovereigns without a switch to turn iron mask on/off just have it running all the time in the "on" mode. Same deal with the Excals. I always hunt with it on because it will pull non-ferrous targets out of ferrous ones better and also Minelab says it gives you a tad more depth. I find the GT smooth as butter with it on thanks to iron being discriminated out all the time, so I never turn it OFF. If I am getting falsing due to bad ground I just lower sensitivity until it's stable, as the falsing is probably being caused by too high of sensitivity anyway.

On the GT where you can turn Iron Mask OFF the machine is still discriminating out iron. It's just not trying as hard to pull coins and such out of mixed iron signals now, so that can make it a tad quieter for some in heavy iron or bad soil, but I never turn it off as I want max unmasking ability in iron and that tad of extra depth. Just lower sensitivity until it quiets down, because I doubt turning it OFF would really do much to quiet the machine down anyway because it's probably due to sensitivity being too high. Most people keep it ON all the time. The older Sovereings or Excal just have it in the ON mode all the time.

People get confused and think if it's turned OFF you now accept Iron. In both modes iron is still rejected, it's just that with it ON it will work harder to pull non-ferrous stuff out of iron. It *IS* possible to see ferrous/non-ferrous qualities to mixed signals in terms of what a detection field can tell a detector. Far as I know only Minelab has been able to split or separate the iron (ferrous) signals out of a mixed (combined) signal with say a nail and coin are at the same depth and right up against each other so it's possible for the field to see both at once washing over them with the detection field. When that happens I believe the Sovereign is doing it's hardest to ignore the iron and pull any non-ferrous signal out of it. The FBS machines, I think, do it somewhat differently and try to assign both a ferrous and on-ferrous # to the signal to display it that way.
 
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