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Sovereign finds from wet salt beach sand. 2 hunts.

Ytcoinshooter

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I've seen it asked that finds by Sovereign users be posted up. I'm really a lurker on any Minelab board I visit. Have acquired a beautiful GT last October I've stuck to using it at saltwater beaches for now. I did use it once for a couple of hours in a farm field and it netted me a worn copper LC.
 
Some say no other machine, and I mean that, in terms of VLF detectors, is as deep or as smooth as the Sovereign on the beach.

Great finds!

Hey, I had a 15x12. What I found was that often I'd get best depth by lowering sensitivity a good bit below what is max stable....Due to the coil taking in too much ground signal. Next time you get a deep junky/soft hit try lowering sensitivity and see if it cleans up the ID and hits harder. It did for me on many occasions with that coil, and I've heard say the same thing about lowering it with the WOT. Especially if you have minerals in your beach or land sites. You can also bury a dime about 6 or 7" and then play with sensitivty for hardest hit/most stable ID. I often found that while even full blast sensitivity was stable, for some odd reason usually about 3PM on the dial was the best setting. In fact, look at the letter "C" in the word noise cancel on the face plate. Set the sensitivity pointing to that "C", as that's the spot I often found that coil gave it's best depth, or at least ID at depth, but yes I think even depth. Oddly I've heard people talk about that "C" setting on even other coils in the past. It seems to be a sweet spot for the Sovereign. That or just at 3PM, for many people, especially in mineralied ground. My 12x10, however, appears to give me it's best depth with sensitivity maxed out and even a bit unstable. I believe this coil sees even less ground than the stock 10" coil due to it's sharp detection field, as the field is less "fuzzy" and so is soaking in less ground stew, so that's probably why super high sensitivity settings don't wash out target signals with the ground glare. That's also why this coil runs more stable, falses less, gets higher sensitivity settings, and appears to be deeper in my soil than the stock 10" coil. The 15x12, for me, did not even get as much depth as the stock 10" coil in my soil, but for some odd reason it did get more depth than stock in my mineralized beaches than stock. Enjoy that coil. It's got killer coverage. And yes, these SEF coils appear more sensitive to tiny stuff than other coils.
 
By the way, if you ditch the coil cover on the 15x12 and use spray on bed liner to protect the bottom it's lighter than the stock 10" tornado with coil cover on.
 
Bruce,excellent finds.Good to see someone who appreciates the Sovereign.Usually if I use another detector for a week or two the Sovereign is just that much better for me to use.Great post.Thanks Ron.
 
Thanks for comments. I always check on the posts by the expirienced Sov users like you guys. Critterhunter has given this new Sov operator a ton of good info going back through his posts. I'm still a rookie with this detector and have to become aware of situations that warrant control adjustments on fly and why they could benefit me. I've put together a pretty good package for my GT with the 6" DD excelerator, S8 coil, standard 10", WOT & 15" x 12" SEF. I also have 550 meter but haven't used it as it's not needed at the beach or farm fields.
The 8" & 6" coils are the ones I'd try on turf if I get confidence & experience. I really bought this for it's niche as being the best wet sander. My only dissapointment was the lack of noreasters that tear up the beaches. If I only had this after Irene came through last August. Still some of the silver I found with it was clearly deposited from the dunes to the beach by that storm. Each time I've used the Sov l have pulled silver in some form from the beach. Funny, what I've been missing since I first saw Minelab hit the detecting scene a few years after I started this great past time. I really dismissed the "newcomer" back then. After the first Explorer came out I bagan to take notice how my friends using them were doing.
Now I'm watching the CTX users post up. Very nice tech they build into the units.
Off now to a plowed farm field now...the dilemma = GT or V3i - both run SEF's. Been thinking when signals dwindle I'll go to the GT. I'm hooked on the mixed mode stereo for depth that I use on the V, but that's for discussion on another forum.
HH-Bruce
 
Critterhunter said:
Some say no other machine, and I mean that, in terms of VLF detectors, is as deep or as smooth as the Sovereign on the beach.

I should mention though that the Blisstool, a VLF machine, sounds like it might be getting PI depths, but I hear is very prone to EMI as well as salt water interference, and thus just not usuable at some beaches. Remote fields are another story, though. Sounds like a great relic machine because it can't discriminate higher than either iron or foil and has no VDI or tone alerts, but even in ideal conditions it has some falsing issues from what I'm reading. It's going to be an interesting machine to watch, though. Initial reports are just starting to crop up on it's abilities.
 
Ytcoinshooter said:
Critterhunter has given this new Sov operator a ton of good info going back through his posts. I'm still a rookie with this detector and have to become aware of situations that warrant control adjustments on fly and why they could benefit me.

Off now to a plowed farm field now...the dilemma = GT or V3i - both run SEF's. Been thinking when signals dwindle I'll go to the GT. I'm hooked on the mixed mode stereo for depth that I use on the V, but that's for discussion on another forum.
HH-Bruce

First, Ron and Rick and a few others are the real pros with the Sovereign because they've had years of experience with it. I'm a rookie like yourself at this machine with only about 2 to 3 years experience on her thus far. Yes, I've had years of experience with many other machines, but this one has had the longest learning curve. I'm not saying that in a negative way. It's no harder to learn then other machines, but it truly has MUCH MORE it can tell you in terms of it's audio harmonics that will never truly end as far as you learning it's "language". Sure, you'll pick up on all you really need to know to make some great finds pretty much right away just like any other machine for the most part, but as you advance and your experience level grows this machine will take you on to further higher levels of education in terms of Sovereign Language 101- Advanced Verbal Abilities For Seniors. :biggrin: It's got that much to tell you, and so the learning process never really ends. You'll never outgrow this machine, unlike some others.

That V3i is a fine machine and will hit on small fine gold like thin necklesses and tiny gold earings much harder, but when it comes to deep old coins, or even super thin gold rings at unbelieveable depths (as they are a round intact loop and thus hit just fine and hard on Minelabs)...Then it's time to break out the Sovereign baby! Let that machine show you what it can do. Don't give up on it too fast. If you give it time and really learn her you'll be digging coins and even thin gold rings at depths that will drop your jaw. Not to mention unmasking stuff in iron thanks to it's unique Iron Mask abilities (Minelab even says the Sovereign's Iron Mask have unique ability to pull non-ferrous targets out of ferrous junk in how the signal is processed) that will also shock you when you dig a hole and find two or three nails laying so close to a silver dime that there are rust stains on the coin. That SEF coil also helps. The SEF's have some really outstanding ability to seperate targets in terms of a much tighter DD detection line. It's like cutting a piece of bread with a sharp knife versus trying to use an ax.

Enjoy that machine and please post more finds and such, as there is an effort in this forum to get people to start posting.

On that topic, I'm not naming names but somebody just told me privately that they are afraid to post pictures of finds due to the IRS trying to tax people. I honestly don't think you guys need to worry about that. As long as you haven't sold something for some huge sum of money they aren't interested, and they can't tax you for finding something that you just stick in your collected either. Now, if you find a gold bar and sell it then yea, better pay your taxes. :biggrin:

One final SEF tip for you...That 15x12 doesn't have quite as sharp of a DD line as the 12x10 but it's still pretty stellar, and if you wiggle the tip of that coil (the last 2 to 3" of it) at a target you suspect might be really two you can even further slice them apart as the field is even sharp near the tip and tail, but the center is still well sharper than a conventional round DD coil.
 
Also, a warning about following my posts...Some of my theories and opinions are a bit "unconventional" in terms of going against what most people believe, so take what I have to say with a grain of salt. On the other hand, if I didn't believe it I wouldn't be saying it. :biggrin: I just see things based on my experience and throw it out there for people to chew on, even if it goes against what most believe (and even myself) have always believed.

One more tip- Go slow. And when you think you're going slow enough cut that speed in half and see if things get even better. All Minelabs want you to crawl, and that means 4 seconds per sweep or longer according to the experts in several Minelab forums. At super slow speeds you made not get as hard of an initial hit on a super deep target, but the threshold will change. Then it's time to pick up your sweep a bit and see what it is. Especially by doing short wiggles or super short constant sweeps over the target to bring out the best audio and tone ID. But, as said, when you crawl at a SUPER slow rate the initial hit might not be as "hard" as a somewhat faster sweep over it, so watch for any tone changes at all in the threshold's sound and then stop, wiggle, and listen.
 
I will take my time and I do believe in the tips put forth on this forum. This actually my second and only serious go round with a Sovereign. I bought an Elite brand new years back maybe in '03... Made the huge mistake thinking I could waltz into a park and start digging coins. Sold it 2 weeks later. Now I know the Sov is a keeper and with a smallcoil I'll learn it's ways on turf. We have 2 extremely successful and dedicated GT users n our club and they also live in the sametown as I. They never use a meter and swear by Sov's language. I've learned to be patient and the beach has especially convinced me that I need this GT. Where I like the the V3i is in it's ability to ID the can slaw and and other irregular targets quickly in cluttered sites. I've had Whites over 25 years and it was an easy transition for me as I understand it very well and it has more horsepower than my previous top of line Whites. People seem to get confused by the menus and endless adjustments and lose thier way optimizing it. Some principals of detector operation have to be understood and kept in the front of a persons thinking when adjusting it. Now that the CTX 3030 is out I see loads of used ETracs and it is tempting... I also use my PI Pro with dual field coil upgrade, CZ20 10" for fresh water and finally a Coinmaster Pro for tot lots and the wife to learn on. With all that I find there is something unique about my Sov GT as compared to anything else. The key will be unlocking it's potential on turf as my learning curve shortens. Each detector I own has purpose that males it stand out in some area that beats the others. The V3i & Sov GT have the most overlap in how I'd use them, except the V doesn't go to the beach with me. There's no advantage using it there except maybe looking for fine gold on dry sand. I'd rather be n the water with my PI or wet sanding with the GT. I surly appreciate the tips I pick up here re the Sov and slow is the only way to work it.
Thanks again.
 
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