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Sovereign / Excal All Metal Article
- Thread starter cjc
- Start date
cjc - Your post is interesting. The Sov/GT is my detector of choice. I hope your article applies to it as well. I did a recent post on searching in A/M pinpoint mode, as an alternative to normal A/M mode because of an apparent depth loss when using A/M track/fixed. Realizing of course that there is no apparent tone signal given in pinpoint. Your article puts me back to doing more work using A/M track/fixed, and analyzing A/M tones (must admit some sound like screeching to me). The idea of having a two function detector (A/M and Disc mode) and just using the Disc Mode seems to me to be a waste of technology even if you only use it for coin hunting.
Is there anything you might add, or wish to comment on that might be unique to the GT. I'm sure GT users would be interested.
Thanks. Don
Is there anything you might add, or wish to comment on that might be unique to the GT. I'm sure GT users would be interested.
Thanks. Don
Hi Don
I had the chance to use a GT for a few weeks and was very impressed with its stabiity in the all metal modes. However, as the article indicates all of my learning has been with an X2 Pro, and I really like what it does without the segmented response. A big chunk of what I am writing on has to do with stuff I learned from BB Sailor on how to use the WOT in all metal--some killer techniques that have found me stuff down at the 20" plus range. I found that the GT was also exceptional on small stuff, and I could tell that the all metal mode (s) had aa lot of potential for ID,ing becase the tone changes above nickel (or is it the ground's signal?)readings. Would love to have one of each.
Good Luck, Clive
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I had the chance to use a GT for a few weeks and was very impressed with its stabiity in the all metal modes. However, as the article indicates all of my learning has been with an X2 Pro, and I really like what it does without the segmented response. A big chunk of what I am writing on has to do with stuff I learned from BB Sailor on how to use the WOT in all metal--some killer techniques that have found me stuff down at the 20" plus range. I found that the GT was also exceptional on small stuff, and I could tell that the all metal mode (s) had aa lot of potential for ID,ing becase the tone changes above nickel (or is it the ground's signal?)readings. Would love to have one of each.
Good Luck, Clive
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hi cjc,
very interesting article. took me a couple times of reading it. it remined it me of an article jim vokes wrote on his detecting page called detecting in reverse discrimation. like i said its a interesting method of detecting. its certainly not for a beginner. there are only a few areas that i would want to try that method like beaches or relic hunting on civil wars sites . its a method you have to stick with to get the hang of but it sure sounds like it would be worth the time to understand and learn just what a sovereign is capable of doing.
thanks, stan pa. sjmdc
very interesting article. took me a couple times of reading it. it remined it me of an article jim vokes wrote on his detecting page called detecting in reverse discrimation. like i said its a interesting method of detecting. its certainly not for a beginner. there are only a few areas that i would want to try that method like beaches or relic hunting on civil wars sites . its a method you have to stick with to get the hang of but it sure sounds like it would be worth the time to understand and learn just what a sovereign is capable of doing.
thanks, stan pa. sjmdc
CJC and All
CJC has it right about carefully listening to the attack and decay of a target signel in the all-metal mode. You can actually tell coins from non coins most of the time by carefully listening, sweeping the target from multiple directions, listening for the classic iron target double beep, and raising the coil to see how fast the coin target response intensity is reduced a few inches off the ground (sand in may case).
One additional tip about hunting in the Sovereign all-metal mode is to install the remote mode change switch using a momentary, normally- open push button. Just run the connections attached to the present mode switch, place the mode switch in the all-metal mode, which is the open swith position, then when you press the button on the shaft near you hand, you quickly close the switch re3motely, and change to the discriminate mode to positivly ID a target. If you want to hunt in the discriminate mode just flip the mode switch on the Sovereign housing and you bypass the momentary switch like it is not there. I used a 1/8" audio jack mounted next to the cable connector on the bottom of the Sovereign housing to connect the jack wires to the mode switch with two thin wires (AWG 24 to AWG 26 stranded). Then, I ran a pre-made 6 ft. shielded mono 1/8" male plug from Radio Shack, plugged it into the jack, taped it to the coil wire going to a small plastic box mounted on the shaft where I can press the N.O. switch with my finger to change modes. You can either hard wire the shielded wire to the small box or add a 1/8" jack on the box as well. Just carry some fine sandpaper with you and clean off the plug(s), as it (they) get(s) corroded after a while out in the elments.
The WOT coil and Sovereign are a killer combination. Get good, sensitive sound-isolating headphones to hear those deep whispers of signals from the real deep ones. Remember, in the all-metal mode there is no fasling as there would be in the discriminate mode. So hunt in the all-metal mode at max sensitivity.
CJC, when is your next book coming out?
bbsailor
CJC has it right about carefully listening to the attack and decay of a target signel in the all-metal mode. You can actually tell coins from non coins most of the time by carefully listening, sweeping the target from multiple directions, listening for the classic iron target double beep, and raising the coil to see how fast the coin target response intensity is reduced a few inches off the ground (sand in may case).
One additional tip about hunting in the Sovereign all-metal mode is to install the remote mode change switch using a momentary, normally- open push button. Just run the connections attached to the present mode switch, place the mode switch in the all-metal mode, which is the open swith position, then when you press the button on the shaft near you hand, you quickly close the switch re3motely, and change to the discriminate mode to positivly ID a target. If you want to hunt in the discriminate mode just flip the mode switch on the Sovereign housing and you bypass the momentary switch like it is not there. I used a 1/8" audio jack mounted next to the cable connector on the bottom of the Sovereign housing to connect the jack wires to the mode switch with two thin wires (AWG 24 to AWG 26 stranded). Then, I ran a pre-made 6 ft. shielded mono 1/8" male plug from Radio Shack, plugged it into the jack, taped it to the coil wire going to a small plastic box mounted on the shaft where I can press the N.O. switch with my finger to change modes. You can either hard wire the shielded wire to the small box or add a 1/8" jack on the box as well. Just carry some fine sandpaper with you and clean off the plug(s), as it (they) get(s) corroded after a while out in the elments.
The WOT coil and Sovereign are a killer combination. Get good, sensitive sound-isolating headphones to hear those deep whispers of signals from the real deep ones. Remember, in the all-metal mode there is no fasling as there would be in the discriminate mode. So hunt in the all-metal mode at max sensitivity.
CJC, when is your next book coming out?
bbsailor
hey bbsailor,
that article did sound cool . ive heard about detecting like that before and im going to work on that method this summer. it does sound interesting. wondering if i could hook that remote setup to my GT being its got a 3 position toggle switch.
all-metal,disc. with irom mask on and disc. with iron mask off.i'm sure it can be done.just have to think about it.
stan pa. sjmdc
that article did sound cool . ive heard about detecting like that before and im going to work on that method this summer. it does sound interesting. wondering if i could hook that remote setup to my GT being its got a 3 position toggle switch.
all-metal,disc. with irom mask on and disc. with iron mask off.i'm sure it can be done.just have to think about it.
stan pa. sjmdc
Ikon,
Check out this web site for Sovereign Modifications http://www.geocities.com/sovereignmods/index.html
If only two switch contacts are involved in switching between the modes that you want to operate remotely, it can be done easily. You need to open the control case and use an ohm meter to see which switch contacts are closed in each switch position that you want to use remotely.
I hope that Minelab adds a remote jack in their future models to implement this handy feature. I find that on the beach, this is a necesary feature as one hand carries my shovel and the other hand carries the coil shaft.
bbsailor
Check out this web site for Sovereign Modifications http://www.geocities.com/sovereignmods/index.html
If only two switch contacts are involved in switching between the modes that you want to operate remotely, it can be done easily. You need to open the control case and use an ohm meter to see which switch contacts are closed in each switch position that you want to use remotely.
I hope that Minelab adds a remote jack in their future models to implement this handy feature. I find that on the beach, this is a necesary feature as one hand carries my shovel and the other hand carries the coil shaft.
bbsailor
Walter L.I.
New member
Hi CJC, I had to read your article quite a few times for things to sink in.You have put quite a bit of thinking in to it.The Sovereign-Wot-S12 is my main weapon of choice on wet sand and I always hunt in All-Metal and check target in Disc. using a remote switch as (bb Sailor) stated.I also feel you can scan a beach quicker in all-metal compared to hunting in Disc. which you really need to move at a snails pace.After using all-metal for a few years i can normally tell if it is a coin or good target like you said it is much sharper responce unless it is real deep without even checking in Disc. for the obivious good tone.Good Luck! Walter
with Sov/Excal users (beach, in the dirt, coin hunting,all the black arts). I had the impression most users, used Disc Mode, most of the time.
Some say why would you do it (no Disc tones), others say you lose depth. Cjc says you get tones in A/M, if you listen, and its a killer. bbsailor has done A/M mods to make it easier to use A/M. Walter likes it with big coils to move faster, and does reverse discrimination.
It might be interesting to hear from dedicated A/M users and switch hitters and how and when they do it.
I like having options. Going down the beach like snail mail is sometimes frustrating. I got tons of beaches
and so little time. Don
Some say why would you do it (no Disc tones), others say you lose depth. Cjc says you get tones in A/M, if you listen, and its a killer. bbsailor has done A/M mods to make it easier to use A/M. Walter likes it with big coils to move faster, and does reverse discrimination.
It might be interesting to hear from dedicated A/M users and switch hitters and how and when they do it.
I like having options. Going down the beach like snail mail is sometimes frustrating. I got tons of beaches
and so little time. Don
OldBeechnut
Well-known member
My Research and Development teachers, Hunters from years ago that learned there is more to a book then it's cover.
TheDualFieldBandit
New member
OBN I'm with ya on this one too
Today I was hunting in an earea i have gone over in disq many times with all the coils but today i was using the 10" tornado coil in pinpoint mode sencetivity just a bit past 3:00 got a 12 gauge shot shell at 9" that i had missed so many times it mad a round soft signal then in another spot i hit a flat piece of metal about the soze of a 50 cent coin and it was exactly 15" deep i meashured it and that was with the 10" tornado coil like CJC says dont set you r gain to high it will blurr the signal and sweep slow . this machine is powerfull in the all metals mode powerfull
Neil
Well-known member
erikk said:
Maybe if you tried it for a while erik you would understand it. you say your a dig it all guy in disc so all your really doing is identifying iron by the null the excal makes in disc. you can size targets accurately in all metal and help define what your digging that way. Is there that much iron where you hunt that it makes it prohibitive to try all metal for awhile to see if it helps your hunting?
whats a little harder to understand is why someone wouldnt want to try and learn all the functions their metal detectors offer. no doubt that in some spots it really slows you down digging smaller iron but every spot is not like that so you set your detector up for each location.