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Sovereign do you really need
- Thread starter rl48off
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There should be a adjustable volume on a Killer Bees, it maybe one adjustment for both ears, but there should be a adjustment. Also if you have a bad wire in the cable or the stereo/mono switch in the wrong position maybe cause one side of the headphones to work and not the other one. Also make sure the plug is pushed all the way i n.
I feel you do need both side working and it is important to hear the deep one to have the Sovereign volume max with adjusting the headphone to a comfortable volume.
I feel you do need both side working and it is important to hear the deep one to have the Sovereign volume max with adjusting the headphone to a comfortable volume.
On the Sovereigns the volume control on the detector is for target volume, not threshold volume so when you turn it up you will not notice a volume change in the threshold. Now with it maxed you will find for many that it will be too loud when you hit a target so this is where a volume control for the headphones work to get it at a comfortable level. For me I am very hard of hearing so I run my headphones at max too.
Try it yourself with the volume of the GT at max and try sweeping the coil over different items and try different height and turn down the volume of the GT and see if you can hear the difference what that volume control on the GT will do. This is why volume control on the headphones is important, many will use the volume control on the GT to regulate the volume, but they will be missing out on the deeper targets they can not hear.
Try it yourself with the volume of the GT at max and try sweeping the coil over different items and try different height and turn down the volume of the GT and see if you can hear the difference what that volume control on the GT will do. This is why volume control on the headphones is important, many will use the volume control on the GT to regulate the volume, but they will be missing out on the deeper targets they can not hear.
I called Minelab and the company who makes Killer b's I also called KOSS At first it was a little hard to get answers from John at Killer Bls but when I told them that my Sovereign GT with the Killer Bs had no volume control he thought something was wrong with the headphones until I told him that the book calls for 32 ohms headphones. He said just like Minelab and Koss said that I should use headphones that have 32 ohms because your speaker can't handle anymore than that. So the 150 ohms are no good ..... All of them went into it much deeper then that, but I didn't quite understand their terminology. Bottom line 32 ohm headphones will work much better. Plus if you have a little hearing loss like me the 150 ohms isn't good on the GT. Minelab tech also agrees.
They will work but it's not the best performance that you can get.. Advised getting 32 ohm headset and you will see the difference.
I did try my friends Koss headset 32ohms and what a difference like night an day. No wonder he was finding smaller and deeper things constantly...I gave him my headphones to try and in 10min asked for his back. So I have to believe their is a difference. If your metal detector can handle 150 ohms thats a great set of headphones from what I hear.
They will work but it's not the best performance that you can get.. Advised getting 32 ohm headset and you will see the difference.
I did try my friends Koss headset 32ohms and what a difference like night an day. No wonder he was finding smaller and deeper things constantly...I gave him my headphones to try and in 10min asked for his back. So I have to believe their is a difference. If your metal detector can handle 150 ohms thats a great set of headphones from what I hear.
Rick I know what your saying I turn my volume all the way up. Then adjust threshold .....go over a target and it's not loud at all. No blast to the ears like I get with my excalibur when my volume is all the way up. I can blow an eardrum. Thats because the headphones are matched to the machine.
I use the 150 Ohms headphones of Timberwolfs as i found these loudest of any 32 ohm headphones i have tried. On my Sovereigns I found the Timberwolf the loudest for my bad hearing on the Sovereigns while on my Explorers and E-Trac the Troy Pros are the loudest with both of them 150 Ohm speakers. The Koss that comes with the Explorers were not as loud and these are suppose to be 32 ohms and at one time they come with the Sovereigns too. Now I found a set of headphones called the Bushmaster that I can use on either the E-Trac or my Sovereign and are loud on either one.
I tried other 150 Ohm headphones too and some were not very loud at all and if I remember right the Killer Bee were a set that wasn't very loud and I couldn't use them for my bad hearing i have. Now if a person has great hearing they would have been fine.
I did find a set of some older Radio Shack 32 ohms that were loud, but very bad tone quality and very uncomfortable.
I don't know what it all is but some headphones have the same specs, but the volume is quite a bit different. I have tried all the different Gray Ghost and the Black widows, the Killer Bees, Ratphones, the different model Timberwolfs, the Sun Ray Pro Golds and even some expensive home stereo headphones I was told was super loud only to find the Timberwolf the loudest on my Sovereigns. The problem is they are no longer being made and some of the last ones made were not as loud as the others were, so they would have to be some of the older ones. The other option I have found was the new Bushmaster I believe they are called as they seem to be loud for both my Sovereigns and my Explorer/E-Trac.
I tried other 150 Ohm headphones too and some were not very loud at all and if I remember right the Killer Bee were a set that wasn't very loud and I couldn't use them for my bad hearing i have. Now if a person has great hearing they would have been fine.
I did find a set of some older Radio Shack 32 ohms that were loud, but very bad tone quality and very uncomfortable.
I don't know what it all is but some headphones have the same specs, but the volume is quite a bit different. I have tried all the different Gray Ghost and the Black widows, the Killer Bees, Ratphones, the different model Timberwolfs, the Sun Ray Pro Golds and even some expensive home stereo headphones I was told was super loud only to find the Timberwolf the loudest on my Sovereigns. The problem is they are no longer being made and some of the last ones made were not as loud as the others were, so they would have to be some of the older ones. The other option I have found was the new Bushmaster I believe they are called as they seem to be loud for both my Sovereigns and my Explorer/E-Trac.
We need someone that really understands if your Metal Detector recommends 32 ohms headphone what are you losing if you use 150ohm headphones. I'm sure someone knows the answer to this. We are talking about on a Sovereign GT.which calls for 32.. I thought the more ohms the deeper targets will come alive but thats not the case ???
This is exactly what I'm saying the volume control doesn't get loud at all. I have min. amount of volume. I have a switch on the headphone that when you go over a target you don't blast your ear and that's a very small change in volume. That's with the volume turned all the wax max on the GT I'm not getting full volume and thats because of the 32 ohms speaker on the GT
Neil
Well-known member
the volume control on the sov is for target volume. the volume control on the excal is for the headphones, they are different.
headphones dont have to be 32ohm to work well on your gt, try some others and you will see. perhaps your killer bees are not functioning well or your not pushing them in all the way, you sure your getting a good connection?
I wouldnt get so locked into the 32 ohm being necessary because it isnt.
headphones dont have to be 32ohm to work well on your gt, try some others and you will see. perhaps your killer bees are not functioning well or your not pushing them in all the way, you sure your getting a good connection?
I wouldnt get so locked into the 32 ohm being necessary because it isnt.
The speaker in the GT is probably 8 ohms and is disabled when you push in the headphone jack so that wont make a difference as to what size speaker it uses.I went though the same thing with this years ago trying to figure out the best volume for my bad hearing with some of the headphone companies saying they were plenty loud for them, but they sure were not for me on the Sovereigns and when I went to the Explorer the ones for my Sovereign were not that loud for me and had to try different ones to find the ones that had the volume for me. I even had to add a amp for a while, I even had to run my speaker wire to the headphone jack to get volume until I found the right headphones for my Explorer. Even though they tell you 32 ohms you ever notice most all the headphones made for detectors are probably 150 ohm and I will tell you there is a difference in the volume of these 150 ohm headphones on different detectors as I found out by experience, so try a different set of headphones if you can. I can even send you my backup set of Timberwolfs to try and cost you the postage to send them back to me.
Rick
Rick
Hey Rick
I really appreciate the offer ...very kind of you to do that. I can't even get a call back from the company I bought them from. (as a package deal) It's a long story but during my ordering things turned to poop and a salesman and I got off to a bad start, only because of bad communication within his answering service. Anyway he turned out to be a hell of a nice guy and did everything to make a good deal even better......
Then as I was charging the battery on the GT it was buzzing and wondered if that was suppose to do that. I called a friend first to see if his did that and he said no never did. .....OK so I call the sales man waited a few days for a call back. He was willing to send me a new battery pack but in the mean time I found out some do that and some don't buz. I told him that wouldn't be necessary. I think it's ok. ............ Now I call him about the Headphones not putting out the volume.....You know it really surprises me that people make you feel that your the only one with this problem and they just can't seem to come to grips... I know something is wrong and I haven't been doing metal detecting long at all. IT was my 3rd call to the Killer B company before the same guy said to me that the 32 ohms on the GT isn't enough for the full volume on their headphone. Wow that was like pulling teeth. !!
I really do feel bad that I called the salesman and told him that these headphones are not really good for me. He thinks I'm just one of those Ass hole's that he can never make happy......I told him in an e-mail which he never answered that he can send me a cheaper pair and I will send these back and he can keep the difference. See now I'm doing the bending over to help him !!!!
Anyway I went to the beach today and found out that when I turned the volume all the way up and set the threshold so I barely here it.
I turned down the volume (counter clockwise) and guess what....the threshold got louder....had to turn that down. go figure that one out. Is that normal ??
After all this Bull I'm going to keep these and maybe pickup a Koss QZ-99 like my friend has for 40.00 bucks You know Minelab's recommendations is use headphone with 32ohms I just took for granted that the Killer B's were the way to go. I like the fit I like everything about them except I want to be in control of my volume period.
I just want to say that it might not sound like it but, The company I did business with gave me the best deal and I would deal with them again (but I better change my name).
Thanks Rick for your generous offer
Something about these forums: I have a 09 Harley dresser bought new. Had trouble from the get go. Harley Davidson couldn't fix it took it to 3 dealers....they were baffled. I went to the Harley Forum and guess what other people were having the same problem and the people on the forums found a fix before Harley did. So these forums need to be looked at by everyone, because we have very smart people out their.
Ronnie
I really appreciate the offer ...very kind of you to do that. I can't even get a call back from the company I bought them from. (as a package deal) It's a long story but during my ordering things turned to poop and a salesman and I got off to a bad start, only because of bad communication within his answering service. Anyway he turned out to be a hell of a nice guy and did everything to make a good deal even better......
Then as I was charging the battery on the GT it was buzzing and wondered if that was suppose to do that. I called a friend first to see if his did that and he said no never did. .....OK so I call the sales man waited a few days for a call back. He was willing to send me a new battery pack but in the mean time I found out some do that and some don't buz. I told him that wouldn't be necessary. I think it's ok. ............ Now I call him about the Headphones not putting out the volume.....You know it really surprises me that people make you feel that your the only one with this problem and they just can't seem to come to grips... I know something is wrong and I haven't been doing metal detecting long at all. IT was my 3rd call to the Killer B company before the same guy said to me that the 32 ohms on the GT isn't enough for the full volume on their headphone. Wow that was like pulling teeth. !!
I really do feel bad that I called the salesman and told him that these headphones are not really good for me. He thinks I'm just one of those Ass hole's that he can never make happy......I told him in an e-mail which he never answered that he can send me a cheaper pair and I will send these back and he can keep the difference. See now I'm doing the bending over to help him !!!!
Anyway I went to the beach today and found out that when I turned the volume all the way up and set the threshold so I barely here it.
I turned down the volume (counter clockwise) and guess what....the threshold got louder....had to turn that down. go figure that one out. Is that normal ??
After all this Bull I'm going to keep these and maybe pickup a Koss QZ-99 like my friend has for 40.00 bucks You know Minelab's recommendations is use headphone with 32ohms I just took for granted that the Killer B's were the way to go. I like the fit I like everything about them except I want to be in control of my volume period.
I just want to say that it might not sound like it but, The company I did business with gave me the best deal and I would deal with them again (but I better change my name).
Thanks Rick for your generous offer
Something about these forums: I have a 09 Harley dresser bought new. Had trouble from the get go. Harley Davidson couldn't fix it took it to 3 dealers....they were baffled. I went to the Harley Forum and guess what other people were having the same problem and the people on the forums found a fix before Harley did. So these forums need to be looked at by everyone, because we have very smart people out their.
Ronnie
Neil
Well-known member
Ronnie on your battery pack for the GT, Ive never seen one that didnt buzz(but that doesnt mean that some dont) and Ive got 5 of those packs now, two from elites, two from GTs and one from an advantage and they all buzz when charging.
On your threshold getting louder when you adjust your volume knob, once set it should pretty much only change pitch when going over targets/ground.
Hope you get your headphone situation figured out.
If your beach isnt to noisy(ocean waves) a set of sony mdr-v150 headphones from walmart($15 if I remember right) work pretty good. they have decent sound, but they dont block noise well. and they seem to have plenty of volume.
On your threshold getting louder when you adjust your volume knob, once set it should pretty much only change pitch when going over targets/ground.
Hope you get your headphone situation figured out.
If your beach isnt to noisy(ocean waves) a set of sony mdr-v150 headphones from walmart($15 if I remember right) work pretty good. they have decent sound, but they dont block noise well. and they seem to have plenty of volume.
Well some do and some don't from what people are telling me. I don't see a problem so far. Good Ok I can relax on that. I just didn't want to burn the house down. My headphone are brand new. I just want to find out if their is anything wrong with them or the Sovereign, while still under warranty. If I buy another pair I think the QZ-99 from koss like my friend has will do a good job.
Thanks neil
Thanks neil
OK guys I was given the WRONG INFORMATION by minelab (some guy answering the phone behind the desk) boy o boy. All that crap I said about the 150 ohms headphones and that the 32 ohms speaker on the GT wasn't powerful enough ...Even the guy at Killer B had me believe it too. Neither one wanted a return ???!!!!.
Well today I found out it's the volume control on my GT because I plugged my headphones into another GT ( a new one) and WOW what a difference...The limiter switch worked great and the volume was right up there... His volume worked great low to high...
So If I sounded like a jerk ...trying to explain the problem it's because I was so focused on the headphones being the problem and not the Sovereign GT.
I really don't want to send it back. Has anyone gotten inside and adjusted the volume control on the circuit board. it just might be a minor adjustment. If not I'll have to send it in. Reluctantly
Maybe it's the volume control and something else ???
Ron
Well today I found out it's the volume control on my GT because I plugged my headphones into another GT ( a new one) and WOW what a difference...The limiter switch worked great and the volume was right up there... His volume worked great low to high...
So If I sounded like a jerk ...trying to explain the problem it's because I was so focused on the headphones being the problem and not the Sovereign GT.
I really don't want to send it back. Has anyone gotten inside and adjusted the volume control on the circuit board. it just might be a minor adjustment. If not I'll have to send it in. Reluctantly
Maybe it's the volume control and something else ???
Ron
Rick I found out today it's not the headphones at all......I tried them on my friends Sovereign GT and they were loud and the limiter switch worked the way it should. Big differance in volume even when set on max. between his and mine. So now I'm convinced it's the volume control coming out of the sovereign control
Thanks for your help
ron
Thanks for your help
ron
Thanks for all your help....I sent the Sov. Gt in for repairs .....The only thing I regret is that it's the bustiest time of the yr. I hope it returns in a reasonable amount of time. Just to let you all know it wasn't the headphones it was the volume control something or other is bad.