Sovereign beginners question

[Art (NWOH)]

What I do is not difficult, and requires little time.
When conditions prevent use of my standard presets, i will adjust down as necessary.

Nothing to it.
HH

 

[crazyman]

This is just one method to try in certain bad conditions. I know how you set yours up for park hunting for deep coins and that's fine Art and I'm sure it works great for you but please don't assume what works for you works for everyone in all ground conditions and all types of hunting. The sensitivity works the same on the Sovereign as it does on most detectors and after 30 years of swinging a coil and hunting some of the worst ground and iron infested ghost towns and logging camp sites I don't need a lesson from you on how to set up any detector for this type of hunting. I also don't care to hear a park hunter in Ohio call any method I use on the "West Coast" "garbage" while trying to help someone that might hunt under the same bad conditions.

 

[Art (NWOH)]

You don't have to listen to me.
Go your own way.
Do what you think works best.

 

[crazyman]

Excuse my ignorance but if this method is so critical to finding deep coins wouldn't I need to find a really deep coin first to set my sensitivity to find deep coins? What if I can't find a really deep coin because I don't have my sensitivity set right because I haven't found a deep coin yet? Should I just set my sensitivity at the best setting to handle the ground conditions and enjoy the day hunting or should I continue to fret over my sensitivity setting and keep searching for a deep coin which might be hard since I might not have my sensitivity set right? Yes I'm just trying to be funny or am I?

 

[Art (NWOH)]

You don't really need to be on a deep coin. It could be anything non ferrous that is fairly weak. Notice that I said NON FERROUS. In places where you can set the sensitivity too high...and do so...the iron will start talking to you. You do not want to get on one of those kind of targets.

Many places I hunt have electrical interference and problems from the clay dirt's iron content...nulling and falsing often severely limit how high I can run sensitivity. If these conditions prohibit finding and using the peak response, then the best you can do is to run it as high as is practical. One of the worst conditions...even when there is not much trash...is when I have very dry ground that has been moistened in the top inch or two by a shower. The moist top dirt really lights up with it's iron content and requires a lower than usual sensitivity setting. Throw in the electrical noise too that lights up the ground some more and you simply have to run a level that is fairly stable.
Interesting that I have seen the same location be horrible under some conditions and so good I could crank right up to max under other conditions.
Given a choice I would rather hunt dirt that is just plain bone dry or completely saturated than hunt layered moisture dirt.
One of those situations pressed home a point for me.....
I went hunting on a day when I could run right at max sensitivity without problems in one tough area. This was with a 14" Excelerator which was brutally way too hot most of the time. I got a hit that sounded fairly weak...as if it were iron crap at 6-7 inches...possibly more. I turned the sensitivity back down to 11 o'clock which was the peak preset on my 2a and suddenly had 2 solid and very loud 550 readings. I would have guessed high coins at only an inch or two. Did not sound like silver...just clads. Turned out to be 2 pennies(copper) at 3-4 inches.
Break my own rules and find out that I should have followed them. A good example, but who gives a crap about a couple pennies. I dig clads when I am bored.

HH

 

[crazyman]

Hmmmm, I figure that if I'm able to hit a deep faint non ferrous target in the first place and it does turns out to be deep then my sensitivity is set just fine.

 

[Art (NWOH)]

If you want to believe that.
You could find a fairly deep nonferrous in auto or with the sensitivity too high or low. Does this mean that you could not get a much better signal if the sensitivity was peaked?? NO.
Does it mean that you could completely miss a deeper target?? YES.

You won't even consider anything I have said, so no point in continuing to respond to your posts on this subject.

Bye Bye.

 

[crazyman]

You never considered anything I said either. Any consideration for your views went out the window from the very start when you started your attack for no reason. I've had my fun and I'm done playing with you now.

 

[Critterhunter]

Printing out to read later, but I'm more than willing to see how Crazyman's pump method works. I'm hoping I might some kind of formula for it where say when I find the right adjustment were the threshold doesn't null during the pump then by subtracting say a digit or two off the "clock" it will be right where I would have found to set it by using a dime in a hole. On the other hand, maybe it'll end up being right where I would have set it. I'm just hoping to find a way to cheat having to stick a dime in the ground since I can't rely on my normal method of just seeing how the machine reacts. Oh sure, you could really crank it down into no man's land so you know for a fact that it's not too high, but then it's probably not as high as it could be to achieve max depth. I doubt any way is going to offer me an alternative to putting a dime in the ground but I'm hopeful. I don't want to compromise by going way low, and I don't see an easy way to tell if I'm too high with what I've seen today with a good/stable threshold at ABOVE where the coin would sound off.

Whatever works for people and they are comfortable with, so I don't see a need to beat up on anybody for liking a particular way. It's just like fishing. If you have major confidence in a specific lure it will probably catch you more fish than using a lure that might even be better for that situation, but if you don't have faith in it you'll get sloppy with your technique. Proved that to a guy who thought top water lures for smallmouth while waiding a river was just crazy. Three nice fish later he was asking me if I had any more Tiny Torpedos he could use.

 

[krasman]

Art, Im assuming NWOH is Northwest Ohio, are you close to Michigan, have you gotten up to Michigan much to hunt? I'd like to detect with you sometime.

 

[Art (NWOH)]

Well , yes...northwest ohio. Southeast of toledo a ways. Not really very far from michigan. Last times in michigan I was not into detecting. Most time spent was in the marquette area. Otherwise just passing through. Sand , trees, swamps, rocks, and cold as all heck most of the year. I heard that the lower peninsula wanted to give the upper back to the indians, but they didn't want it.

I bought my first detector for finding my aluminum arrows in the grass when I missed the target or shot clear through it. Did some lawn detecting and found mostly pennies and hot wheels. Then one day found a morgan dollar. That got me going for a while.

Not detecting presently due to medical problems and other interests.

Just keeping battery packs maintained. Seldom post anymore.I used to post all the time. Nothing really great, but tried to be helpful. I like oddities and wazzits. Never expected to find anything worth anything. Odball stuff like tokens , bells and things that you can only use your imagination with are my favorites.

I Do appreciate the offer, but the bug is not biting very hard at this time.

Ron is from somewhere up there..probably closer to you.

Thanks again but my chevy and myself are both feeling tired and wore out.

I am still to hunt around my fathers house. Original part is 1800's stuff. Need to hunt it before my sister sells it at an estate auction. About the only trash will be old stuff and a lot of .22 brass.....between me and my brother. Some newer nails from the vinyl siding job.
I knew the old geezer would not let me hunt it. He could have spoiled my fun.

Art

 

[Ron from Michigan]

Gentlemen,I would listen to Art he knows his Sovereign's.Going to meet up with my brother in Coal River West Virginia.He's coming in from the Roanoke area.Dueling Sovereign's for the weekend.Looking forward to the hunt.My motto if it ant broke don't fix it.Nothing like time in the field to learn your Sovereign,which haven't had a lot of time this season.Later