Sov GT audio question (another!!)

[Anonymous]

Is it normal to get mid and sometimes high tones, followed by the "zzzzzzzzzzzzzz" buzz, signifying an iron target <img src="/metal/html/confused.gif" border=0 width=15 height=22 alt=":?"> <img src="/metal/html/confused.gif" border=0 width=15 height=22 alt=":?"> <img src="/metal/html/confused.gif" border=0 width=15 height=22 alt=":?">
I guess the detector is initially unsure of target composition, with subsequent passes unlikely to give the above response.
Thanks,
Tony

 

[Anonymous]

That's normal. You are right about the initial target evaluation changeing to iron.
This is going to happen most often when running sensitivity near optimum levels. If you run way too high, you will get high hits that won't drop out very easy and you will end up digging a lot of iron junk.
You are going to get a lot of different iron responses, particularly if you hunt dirt. Since I believe you mostly hunt beach and won't see quite the variety that most of us get, I can only give you some general clues as what to expect.
Some junk will tend to slide up in tone, then suddenly cut off into a null then iron buzz.
Some will come up and hold for a few passes before dropping out.
Some will just slip and slide around as if the object is moving around under the ground.
Location will not pinpoint the same in both disc and all metal.
A faster sweep can make iron hit higher or harder.
If it's just the right shape, it can fool anybody.
Most of the time, there is something about the response pattern that gives it away. Pay close attention to the patterns, and check from more than one angle.
Also, iron can pop, click, or make aloud fart sound.
Just pay close attention and you will learn to spot most of it.
HH

 

[Anonymous]

That some of these can be iron next to a good target too. What I find when this happens I will try to wiggle the coil over just that one area where you where the high tone was like a coin or any other good tone was. If I can get it to repeat I will try to get the signal on the very tip of the coil and work around it and see if I can get a decent signal 2 differnt ways, in other words try to isolate the good from the bad. If i cant than I know it is iron. When going to pinpoint and it move I find iron, but iron beside the coin can pull the signal one way twords the iron, so this can be confussing too. If it sounds repeatable and was able to get it from 2 differnt directions i will pinpoint in disc and go after it and use my S1 probe once I get the hole opened in all metal pinpoint and when I get a decent signal I will switch to disc to ID it.
Now if it was just plain iffy and you go to pinpoint and it is a one way signal that is iron. I will also go to pinpoint do the 90 degrees pinpoint so the target is in the center of the coil, then switch to pinpoint and wiggle the coil to see if it will null or not. I find this way to check a signal that sounds good but I am not sure of has been used the most with the best results with the GT.
The bigest thing with any of the Sovereigns I feel is getting to know what this detector is telling you with the tones, response and meter reading if you use one. Lot of this is learned with the use of the Sovereign and digging a few iffy signals to check them out.
Art covered 95% of all the things that will give you the signals you are hearing.
One more thing you get the best ID and depth on a target while swinging the coil slow while in normal hunt, but yet once you get the target you want to check out by wiggeling the coil faster over just the target area itself tryig to get the tone to stay a solid tone as possible you will get the best ID of that target.
Good luck
Rick

 

[Anonymous]

Like to see you wake your fingers up on the keyboard with the fine details <img src="/metal/html/lol.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":lol"> .
A whole book could be written about multiple target procedures.
Have a good day.
Art

 

[Anonymous]

Yep, no doubt, someone could write a book on multiple target procedures... (along with all the other Sov tips and tricks discovered over the years.)
I just wish someone would!!!
http://www.findmall.com/cgi-bin/forums/minelab_bbs/sovereign.pl?read=24127
Heck, I'd even welcome an audio tape... one where we could hear all the tones and nuances. Or even better yet, a really nice book/reference manual with a included CD in the back of the book that had little video clips and tone recordings.
The only decent books I've found to some degree for use with the Sov are: Metal Detecting with Minelab Metal Detectors; Volume 1 (Beach Hunting, Shallow Water Hunting and Treasure Diving)... and Metal Detecting with Minelab Metal Detectors; Volume 2; (Coin Hunting).
Both written by Andy Sabisch, but the problem is they're too generic... to encompassing of Minelab detectors in general. What I'd really like to see is a new book written "exclusively" on the Minelab Sovereign. (Why not... we have one for the ExII and one for the Quattro... why not the Sov?) If nothing else its at least time for Volume 3.
In other words, Minelab has introduced several new models of the Sovereign since Vol 1&2 were written. New models with new features... (not to mention all the new Sov owners that couldn't even spell "detector" when Andy wrote those books)
Elton

 

[Anonymous]

Andys books are good and will help get the basics to get you started plus it has some good tips from other users. Basicly the Sovereigns have all been used the same with some haveing a few differnt settings added like the freq switch on the Elite and the GT, but over all they all work the same.
I dont feel there is no real short cut in learning the Sovereign other than experience by using it and with a few tips we read about on the fourms and trying them to help us. With Andys books on the Sovereign I felt he covered the basic like with the Quattro and the Explorer, but the real success is with the person understanding how these detector work and using it for their advantage.
I have notice these sound clips of the Sovereign signals I have heard on some of the site dont have the tones the accual Sovereign does for me, so recording the tones I wonder if it would help anyone. If it did it would be nice to connect in a recorder to try to tape some of these signals.
Rick

 

[Anonymous]

From the first Sov to the last, there isn't really much difference in how to use them.
There are no majic settings or procedures for hunting that are any different to any degree.
The biggest part of Sov/Excal use is getting to identify different sounds by pitch and pattern. Just about impossible to describe in words what you have to hear to learn.
Even to listen to a CD or tape might not help much, as the sweep speed, target depth, volume setting, kind of headphones used, and the kind of coil used will all affect what you hear.
Real hunting with your own setup is the one best way to learn it.
Takes some time and some trash digging, but you get a feel for it after a while.
HH

 

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[Anonymous]

There seems to be a growing ground swell looking for a book covering the Sovereign line specifically. I had thought of this projtect but was not sure where the line would go (or if it would be phased out). With the new GT, the line appears to be sticking around for some time so this may be back on the radr screen.
What's the general interest and what specific areas would you want covered . . . . . . adding a CD / DVD to each book would really not be feasible due to the cost for a low printing run.
I welcome any input - shoot me an E-mail with your thoughts and requests.
Andy Sabisch