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.. Sov G T question again....SO... how slow is slow for the sweep speed...

Mark ( ohio )

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I by nature am a slow hunter.. I prefer to just cruise along with my machines listening to what its telling me... So.. everything I've tried to read and from the guys who had PM'd me about my new unit.. seems the consensus is to GO SLOW.....

Just how slow is slow for the sweep speeds... Are we talking a thousand 3/thousand 4 ( counting to yourself ) as your sweeping left to right then back again...????

What do the pros think??

Mark ( ohio )
 
Well, put it this way....I know that the higher you run sensitivity, especially if it's getting a bit unstable, the slower you need to sweep to keep the threshold stable. A sure sign you are swinging to fast (especially in bad ground) is that the threshold will drop out here and there. When it does, re-sweep that same spot over and over. If it keeps nulling out then there is iron there, but if it doesn't every time you are probably sweeping to fast or have the sensitivity too high. Bryce says on his Explorers he does 4 seconds PER SWEEP to really see the deep stuff. I would bet it's the same for the Sovereign but to be honest i don't normaly sweep that slow. Maybe 2 seconds per sweep or slow for me, but I have been trying the 4 second thing here and there to see if it's better. Here's a good way to test it too....If you hit on ANY deep whisper of a target, regardless of how junky it sounds, try alternating from a fast to slower and slower sweeps over it in NORMAL hunting wide sweep fashing, NOT wiggling or short sweeping over it. Notice which speed gives you the best hardest initial "hit" on that target. Use that then at that site, as it can change a little from site to site depending on your sensitivity setting and how bad the ground is. Of course though when you do hit a target (especially a deep one) you need to do short little wiggles or short sweeps sort'a fast-ish over it to pull the best tone and ID out of it. Hope this helps. You might want to go on You Tube and watch some GT videos on there to see how fast they sweep, but watch several because some guys on those videos I know are hunting way too fast. Hunting fast is OK if you are clad hunting or just looking for any signal such as scouting the woods for areas of activity, but to get the deep ones or unmask stuff you need to slow down.
 
Hi Mark,I go about 4 to 6 seconds per sweep. And my sweep is short and comfortable for me, I don't try to reach as far as I can from side to side. Keep everything in your comfort zone and you will do a better job covering the ground than you would if you wore yourself out too fast and made uncomfortable swings. I too like to just putter along real slow.
Good luck Gary
 
Hey Mark I got to thinking a little more about my response to your question. I think I misled you a bit. My sweep speed is more like 3 to 5 seconds,when I don't have a lot of nulling. If there is a lot of nulling for whatever reason,then I slow my sweep down even further say 6 seconds or even longer. But if it gets rediculosly slow then I lower my sensitivity to get thru that spot.
Good luck Gary
 
Mark,

You are asking some real good questions.

I think my average is about 4 or 5 seconds per sweep in one direction. Sometimes I go faster than that, but kind of like Critter said - only if I'm looking for any kind of signal. If I'm in an area that I have been finding things, I slow down considerably. Sometimes I will take more than 4 or 5 seconds per sweep, but it depends on conditions. I generally run my sensitivity at about 2 or 3 o'clock right now, and I tend to find things in the surface-to-eight-inch range in a couple of particular parks. I do find targets deeper than those with the same settings; dry or moist soil makes a difference. I also will hunt in all metal so I can go faster, especially when just looking for where people have been. Once that is found, I switch it and slow down.

Best of luck, and keep us posted about your progress,
 
Mark testing as you hunt is a great way to learn. check targets with different sweep speeds and dont decrease your swing distance, you want to replicate actual hunting when doing this. shortening your sweep speed will take in less ground and the sov will see the target easier, you want to get the sweep speed that works for you, where your hunting, at your desired sens setting. Tin Fins sens setting is a good one, but dont be afraid to push it either. play around with it and make mental notes.
 
Ive found the multi freq needs to be swung much like slow painting.... i push mine along at a very slow swing. In the open uncluttered area you can hear nulling.... thats you key because you start to loose depth. You do have to watch your sensitivity.... too much and your coil foot print increase and you pick up targets close to the coil and shallower.

Dew
 
I was wondering if there is any difference between the speed you are using in the AM or Disc mode ??
 
You can swing faster in AM. I think the manual might even say that in disc you can pick up your speed a bit in silent search mode. That's useful for say clad hunting or scouting the woods looking for any signal to indicate an area of activity to then work slow.

I'd like to change my advice a tad here. Yes, probably about 2 seconds per sweep for me. That might sound fast, but I don't sweep wide like other people do. I mainly keep the coil right in front of my feet, so I'm still sweeping pretty slow. That might be the difference in what Bryce says about 4 seconds per sweep on his Explorer. He might have a bit wider sweep than I use. I've found that it's more important to be concerned about the ground right in front of your feet and work that slow and overlap your sweeps, and not worry about reaching out far left and right. If you're not careful that can hurt your technique because you might tend to pick up the coil at an angle at the ends of those wider sweeps if you don't keep good control over it. Now, for beach hunting I'll swing a bit wider so cover more ground as I grid, as I drag my sand scoop to mark off the row I am doing so I can then "mow the lawn" with the next row without missing anything. But when I'm old coin hunting on land I keep the coil right in front of my feet. At the most it may go about a half a foot to the side of either foot, so even though I'm saying 2 seconds per sweep is the norm for me it's still rather slow.

One guy posted on here a while back that he has very mineralized (I think he said red iron rich clay) soil, and that if he doesn't crawl really slow he'll lose the threshold. I think he even said that the threshold still drops out and nulls a lot in that soil, but that if he keeps the coil to an absolute crawl his GT will still sound off the targets through the null. I've read others say this as well...That the Sovereign will sound off through nulls at least some times, and probably not at the depths it would if it wasn't nulling.

As said, if your threshold is dropping out sweep over that same spot several times. If it keeps nulling it's iron, but if it doesn't every time then you either are swinging too fast or you have your sensitivity too high. Before you lower your sensitivity, see if a slower sweep will stop the threshold from nulling out. If it won't then lower sensitivity. Me? I mostly these days run sensitivity a bit high and unstable. As long as I keep my sweep speed slow the threshold doesn't really null out unless I hit iron. You'll know when you are riding the edge of unstability sensitivity because the threshold will "reset" or "fade" and change here and there. With practice you can tell if that's being caused by the unstable sensitivity level or an actual hit from a deep target. When in doubt just do short fast wiggles or sweeps over that spot and see if it's a deep target or not.

Most importantly, when you do it on a deep and soft target try normal sweeps like you are hunting over it at different speeds. See which speed gives the hardest initial hit on the target, then use that speed while hunting. This can change from site to site depending on the ground and sensitivity level, but it usually doesn't really change that much if at all. If you are going slow then you'll probably be right in that zone you need to hit best on the deep stuff.

If you are just clad hunting or searching for that first hit in the woods then lower sensitivity to say 3PM or so and you can sweep faster. Throw it into silent search and you can probably sweep even faster while doing that, but when you want to search an area good you need to use threshold mode and slow down for sure.
 
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