sov,g.t /. cibola head to head

[comcat]

i love both these machines,but was asked which one i prefered,,well,the tesoro has a wonderful recovery speed,,the minelab just dont,,but all in all the g,t, is the machine i love to use,,the cibola is lighter but with the 12 x 10 d.d. coil it is 6 ozs. heavier than the stock coil, and can feel heavier with the lazy s stem,,tesoro should supply straight stems,,they handle better,,and both machines work great on salt wet,,especially the g,t,,,,but they are both very different in cost,,,,i have just carried out some tests ,,and they are as follows( for anyone who is interested that is),,,,,,,TESORO slight boost on threshold,,,sens.@ max,,,1/ small thin 9 carat gold ring,,,24 cm,,,2/ 10 mm thin silver coin,,,27 cm,,,3/ 18 mm thin gold coin,,,34 cm,,,4/ 22 mm silver coin,,,34 cm,,,5/ large 30mm copper coin,,,42 mm,,,,,,,,with faint threshold sens. @ 10,,,,1/ 17 cm ,,,2/ 21cm,,,3/ 27 cm,,,4/ 29 cm,,,5/ 33 cm,,,,,,MINELAB G T ,,auto sens,,,,,,1/ 26 cm,,,2/ 26 cm,,,3/ 29 cm,,, 4/ 36 cm,,,5/ 41 cm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,in manual sens, @ max,,,,1/ 33 cm,,,2/ 26 cm,,, 3/ 32 cm,,,4/ 37 cm,,, 5/ 43 cm,,,these are in air tests,,,and are a guide only as to depth capability,, as you dont really know how deep in the ground the signals go unless you have a testbed,,,,,,,however,,no machine will perform better in the ground than in the air,,,,,but some machines will lose more depth than others in actual ground tests,,,hope you find this this interesting,,,,,,rgds ,,comcat

 

[plugger]

I disagree with you on the air test vs in the ground! The Sov will air test a dime at about 6" but will find them at about 9-10" in the ground with an 8" coil. I have had Whites that would air test a dime at 8" and could not see the dime at 8" in the ground. Just my two cents worth!

 

[kered]

BBs and FBS are deeper in ground than in air, also auto sense is a nogo, cibola vs GT is like chalk and cheese in my opinion

 

[Neil]

Yeah I find the Sov detects deeper in the ground than it will air test also, sometimes by quite a bit. Auto setting on the sens is one I rarely use, just doent perform well in places I hunt.

Ive discussed with you before on your cibola in wet salt sand and my friend I say hold onto that one as I dont believe many are gonna perform as well as the one youve got in that environment.

You can get good depth readings when you actually hunt and they are far more accurate as to what your detector will do in the ground, you just have to be patient in digging stuff up so it doesnt fall deeper in the ground. I do mostly beach hunting and know that alot of coins/rings fall down into a hole deeper giving the impression they were detected deep, but Ive also dug alot of them that Ive found by digging to far on one side or another and the target was still in the ground on the side of the hole, so I know what depths are accurate, how far to dig and when to widen the hole.

HH
Neil

 

[comcat]

thanks for that guys,,a good argument is the way that we can all gain a lot of knowledge on our hobby,,....but the subject that always seems to create a lot of different opinion is air tests over ground,,yeah of course its different ,but i was informed that on the whole it is correct,, that an in-air test is as far as the machine will detect,,,in the ground there may be,,, a salt out,,, of a target ,,but that will be very rare,,,happened to me once,,,dug the target and there was just an impression and a green patch 3 inches wide,,no coin?? anyhow i was informed in no uncertain terms by Georgi Chauchev,,,,the designer of NEXUS detectors,,,still the deepest handheld machines in the world ,,that a machine will not detect deeper in the ground than in air,,but some machines that detect good in air ,dont go as deep in the ground,,,,,i believe what he says,,,he should know ,,but feel that its still viewed as being,,,,,,a little hard to swallow,,,?? thanks for the input,,,rgds ,,comcat

 

[Bling]

i totally agree with Plugger here!!
I disagree with you on the air test vs in the ground! The Sov will air test a dime at about 6" but will find them at about 9-10" in the ground with an 8" coil. I have had Whites that would air test a dime at 8" and could not see the dime at 8" in the ground. Just my two cents worth!

 

[comcat]

hiya guys,,you said that bbs goes deeper in the ground, than in air ,,,you probably mean by that,, that any electromagnetic field goes deeper in the ground than in air,,,if that is correct,,,how is that ??? please explain,, rgds ,,comcat

 

[comcat]

yeah,,the manual sens. is almost double the sense. on auto,,but auto has its place when you have bad ground ,,to get a good average and reduce the sounding off,,the auto reduces the noise to a lower level by reducing the sens. on a constant basis,,as you know reducing noise allows you hear the target better,, and without having to constantly re-adjust the machine,,,so ,,lower sens = lower noise = better target recognition =less depth =trade off =compromises,,,rgds ,,comcat
Yeah I find the Sov detects deeper in the ground than it will air test also, sometimes by quite a bit. Auto setting on the sens is one I rarely use, just doent perform well in places I hunt.

Ive discussed with you before on your cibola in wet salt sand and my friend I say hold onto that one as I dont believe many are gonna perform as well as the one youve got in that environment.

You can get good depth readings when you actually hunt and they are far more accurate as to what your detector will do in the ground, you just have to be patient in digging stuff up so it doesnt fall deeper in the ground. I do mostly beach hunting and know that alot of coins/rings fall down into a hole deeper giving the impression they were detected deep, but Ive also dug alot of them that Ive found by digging to far on one side or another and the target was still in the ground on the side of the hole, so I know what depths are accurate, how far to dig and when to widen the hole.

HH
Neil

 

[Rick(ND)]

From the way I understand it is with the Minelab BBS you don't ground balance as it compares the ground matrix's to any target it sees, now with air test it has nothing to compare it with so the depth will not be great, but when you introduce the ground is where you will see a greater depth than air test.
As far as how it works, all I can say it works very well and if you get to know it well you can get some very impressive depth that will surprise other plus yourself that you will not see in air test. I know I have used many different detectors in my 36 years of detecting and many will air test good, but in the ground it will not, but the Sovereign is just the opposite as many will tell you that have used one.

 

[Ron from Michigan]

I think Rick is right on target.On the other hand,if you are comparing air test use the same size coils and max out the GTs sensitivity.The Sovereign is no slouch in the air but the ground is where it counts.

 

[Neil]

hiya guys,,you said that bbs goes deeper in the ground, than in air ,,,you probably mean by that,, that any electromagnetic field goes deeper in the ground than in air,,,if that is correct,,,how is that ??? please explain,, rgds ,,comcat

your standup routine is great dude

Neil

 

[comcat]

thanks neil,,but the answers are great arent they?? you can see where their coming from,, the explanation above on not comparing ground was excellent,,and probably right,,,best rgds to you all,,,,i love this forum,,,and i love my G>T>comcat