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sound or screen?
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Larry (IL)
Well-known member
Both are equally important IMHO. I don't watch the screen but I look at it after getting a likeable tone.
To me both are equally important. For example on my 705, I really do believe i can distinguish between a coin and a bottle cap and a nickel and a pull tab 99% of the time. I do believe how many tone variances your machine has is a great deal of importance to how easy it is to figure what your target is. Also pay particular attention to the number I.D. because the more you look at them, the more you will see a separation between targets that are relatively close in I.D. .....Good luck.
With the multi tone detectors like our Minelab Sovereigns, Explorers, E-Trac and the CTX 3030 the tones and how it sounds is the first thing you do and when it has the tones and sounds then it is nice to have a display to confirmed those tones. On a single tone detector the display would be looked at much more.
Rick
Rick
OregonGregg
Well-known member
I hunt iron infested ghost towns and old homestead sites. I use a MXT Pro and a M6 . On both I only use single tone. The reason is that most the stuff I find is partially masked. ie a lot of the coins or tokens that I find or generally lying close to other objects ( tin and iron trash etc) For example if a dime is lying close or next to a rusted nail for example, most machines will "blend" the VDI numbers, so even though I get a decent sound the VDI numbers will be off, it won't be a dime reading....and that also effects my tones. If the dime is lying close to iron and the reading is "blended" then the tone will also reflect that and usually give a lower tone. I like just a good ol' single tone to alert me, glance at the screen to maybe get an idea of what I might be digging. But to answer your question,I go with sound first and then glance at the screen after. If it was an ideal world and every target was by itself with out any other thing around it, then yes , tones and VDI numbers would be spot on, but most the time that isn't the case.
Nauti
Well-known member
The last answer by Oregon Greg is the answer you are looking for.Tones and screens will give a rough idea at best what is below the coil......to ensure you don't miss anything you have to dig every decent signal.As Greg said,good items next to trash or in certain soils will give innacurate readings that many pass up because they rely on vdi and tones too much.
Tones to me are the main indicator and then possibly a quick look at the screen but no way do i ever use just the screen on it own,this is why in my mind its so important to have a good set of headphones as also you can then hear the deep feint signals as well that you could miss by either just relying on the speaker of the machine or el-cheapo headphones.
My way of thinking is you spend so much money possibly 1000s on a top of the range detector then spend a few $$ on a cheap set of phones,of course what suits one person may not work for another person,say a person has limited hearing then of course they would rely mainly on what the screen tells you.
Screens are useful things to have but not 100% reliable and also they are only reliable upto certain depths but the sound/tones can give much more reliable indicators at greater depths.
Its personal choice and nothing is set in stone.
My way of thinking is you spend so much money possibly 1000s on a top of the range detector then spend a few $$ on a cheap set of phones,of course what suits one person may not work for another person,say a person has limited hearing then of course they would rely mainly on what the screen tells you.
Screens are useful things to have but not 100% reliable and also they are only reliable upto certain depths but the sound/tones can give much more reliable indicators at greater depths.
Its personal choice and nothing is set in stone.
bootyhoundpa
Well-known member
both have their benefits and shortcomings.. for me I will rely on a screen when hunting a park or someones backyard where excessive digging may be frowned upon. for beach or farm fields I usually prefer multi tone and dig to my hearts content..
Mike Hillis
Well-known member
Sound. After a while you forget to even look at the display, even if you have one. Or at least I do.
I like having the display when I want a second opinion, but for the most part, after I get used to how a detector works, I tend to forget to look.
HH
Mike
I like having the display when I want a second opinion, but for the most part, after I get used to how a detector works, I tend to forget to look.
HH
Mike
I go by audio and always use quality headphones. I decide by audio to dig or not. Then after that, I look at the display (providing I'm using a display screen machine), digging or passing. I hate to get a hint of a sweet sound and walk away, so now dig so I won't think later "should I have dug".
Sometimes I get a little good sound on a deep target but the display don't respond to it.
I use the the display secondary, but have pretty much made my mind to dig or not via audio. Yes after deciding via audio, I still look at the display afterwards just because its there and I want to see what it shows. So I don't depend on the display - just use as a secondary tool I guess.
My first 3 or 4 detectors did not have a display screen. Then I bought a new machine, Whites 6000 Di Pro Series 2. It had a large analog meter with color scaling. Wow, I liked it but was so used to headphones and audio. Later, years later, I started getting digital display machines. Now I have machines with and without display's. No matter, I like them all for one reason or another. But my audio only machines (i.e. Tesoro's), I feel fine using them.
If I get into an area and hit good on common coins, then the display can be nice ID'ing the coin (VDI) and depth and that kind of adds a nice touch at times. But I won't feel all handicap using a audio only machine, even a single tone machine. Kind of like it both ways I guess, reason I have both types.
Sometimes I get a little good sound on a deep target but the display don't respond to it.
I use the the display secondary, but have pretty much made my mind to dig or not via audio. Yes after deciding via audio, I still look at the display afterwards just because its there and I want to see what it shows. So I don't depend on the display - just use as a secondary tool I guess.
My first 3 or 4 detectors did not have a display screen. Then I bought a new machine, Whites 6000 Di Pro Series 2. It had a large analog meter with color scaling. Wow, I liked it but was so used to headphones and audio. Later, years later, I started getting digital display machines. Now I have machines with and without display's. No matter, I like them all for one reason or another. But my audio only machines (i.e. Tesoro's), I feel fine using them.
If I get into an area and hit good on common coins, then the display can be nice ID'ing the coin (VDI) and depth and that kind of adds a nice touch at times. But I won't feel all handicap using a audio only machine, even a single tone machine. Kind of like it both ways I guess, reason I have both types.
BarberBill
New member
I admit I'm biased to the way I learned. By the time I had a TID machine, I'd spent enough hours on beep only detectors that I always depend on that as my first clue, then look at the display. I've had numerous times when the sound was a bit different compared to what the TID was trying to tell me and ended up retrieving goodies that I would have passed on if using the screen only.
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Goldstrike
Well-known member
Tone/sound 90%+ and then VDI 10% and even then, those percentages can change as you zero in at different angles on a target. Generally, if it sounds good, it's usually a good and 'diggable' target!
I also have come to realize--it's ALL sound.
once an item is deeper; TID no longer accurate anyways.
if targets are co-located; TID no longer accurate anyways
if there is masking--TID no longer accurate anyways
I now dig all above 'iron'--- gold may lie where the foil sounds off...
the more you dig, the more you find.
if you try to 'cherry pick', well, most sites have already been 'picked'---meaning all the perfect sounding, good TID targets are LONG GONE
once an item is deeper; TID no longer accurate anyways.
if targets are co-located; TID no longer accurate anyways
if there is masking--TID no longer accurate anyways
I now dig all above 'iron'--- gold may lie where the foil sounds off...
the more you dig, the more you find.
if you try to 'cherry pick', well, most sites have already been 'picked'---meaning all the perfect sounding, good TID targets are LONG GONE
Southwind
Well-known member
I'm guessing most of these responses are from people not using the higher end machines.
Myself I'm a selective hunter meaning I don't bend over unless I'm pretty darn sure it will be worth it. I spent a lot of time, and money, looking for the best target ID machines. Both in sound and display accuracy. For those who think you can't trust the visual display/Target ID on a deep target have yet to use a good machine. Yes on those target at the very edge of a detectors range both sound and visual target information can be iffy, I guess that's why that call it an iffy, but most of the higher end machines are pretty accurate on even the deep ones. Some not so much. The CTX is a great example. Very Very accurate display ID on even targets at the edge of depth ability. Other high end machines most often require a proper setup but still do a great job at depth.
I find by sound but recover by ID 99% of the time. Now in a tot lot all bets are off. I recovery everything period, but in the ground unless the tone/sound has a certain something I ain't bending over unless my display also tells me so.
Myself I'm a selective hunter meaning I don't bend over unless I'm pretty darn sure it will be worth it. I spent a lot of time, and money, looking for the best target ID machines. Both in sound and display accuracy. For those who think you can't trust the visual display/Target ID on a deep target have yet to use a good machine. Yes on those target at the very edge of a detectors range both sound and visual target information can be iffy, I guess that's why that call it an iffy, but most of the higher end machines are pretty accurate on even the deep ones. Some not so much. The CTX is a great example. Very Very accurate display ID on even targets at the edge of depth ability. Other high end machines most often require a proper setup but still do a great job at depth.
I find by sound but recover by ID 99% of the time. Now in a tot lot all bets are off. I recovery everything period, but in the ground unless the tone/sound has a certain something I ain't bending over unless my display also tells me so.