I keep hearing how good a Discriminater the Outlaw has and how it can discriminate a Penny from a Dime but I really do not see the use. Here where I hunt there are thousands of targets and you can not play with the discriminator to try and find out what the target is before you dig. I would really like this Outlaw if it had a Notch like the old Golden Saber but for me it is just a Cherry Picker that will let the Nickles get away unless you run the discrimination very low then what is the use in having good discrimination. Just saying I really don't understand the draw here.
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Sorry Guys I don't understand
- Thread starter daddyflea
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The fact that you can discriminate a dime from a quarter or a nickel from a pull tab, although impressive, is a testament to the excellent resolution of the discrimination circuit in the Outlaw. I like knowing I can depend on what may be the very heart of any detector. Is it practical? Well, many of us do thumb the disc from time to time to determine what
Les in the UK
New member
In the UK we set our detectors to discriminate out iron and then we dig all targets above that, the reason for doing this is. We have over 2000 years of coins trash and relics in our soil so we don't want to leave good targets in the ground.
many coins are made out of gold and silver and if we notch out lead or ring pulls we discriminate out many gold rings or small coins, you also have to take into account how deep the target is and what it is made of or what it is laying next to as you can lose depth when you use more discrimination.
I can see the use of turning up the discrimination to see where target discriminates out as you guys over the water know what types of coins you are looking for, but for us in the UK we would probably miss a great find if we did this.
Les in the UK
many coins are made out of gold and silver and if we notch out lead or ring pulls we discriminate out many gold rings or small coins, you also have to take into account how deep the target is and what it is made of or what it is laying next to as you can lose depth when you use more discrimination.
I can see the use of turning up the discrimination to see where target discriminates out as you guys over the water know what types of coins you are looking for, but for us in the UK we would probably miss a great find if we did this.
Les in the UK
REVIER
Well-known member
The fact that the Outlaw even has this fine tuning ability is the thing.
On the top end, I can see where this can help tell the difference between good targets and some of those high end pop-tops.
On the lower to middle end this could be very helpful in dealing with a park full of specific types of pull tabs if this fine tuning ability is also inherent in that section.
Basically, more fine tuning ability and range = more information at hand to help us make more informed educated guesses about targets before we dig.
As Martha Stewart says..."It's a good thing."
On the top end, I can see where this can help tell the difference between good targets and some of those high end pop-tops.
On the lower to middle end this could be very helpful in dealing with a park full of specific types of pull tabs if this fine tuning ability is also inherent in that section.
Basically, more fine tuning ability and range = more information at hand to help us make more informed educated guesses about targets before we dig.
As Martha Stewart says..."It's a good thing."
I found it a waste of time for me. The Tesoro is so fast it was a snap to just pinpoint and pop the coin. When I got in really trashy areas, I set the initial discrimination at just below nickel, and whenever the target sounded, I rotated the dial to a premarked spot on the dial where tabs just began to break up. If the sound was gone, it was probably a nickel, if it broke up-a tab, and if it stayed a coin. All with one move. After removing the trash from most of my other areas, thumbing no longer became necessary.
plidn1
Member
For 30 years I used discrimination on my various detectors. Every time a new detector came out with a new system, I had to have it. True I found a lot of coins, but nothing really valuable.
Then I bought a detector a year ago that changed the way I dug targets. I learned so much in an 8 month period it would scare you. You would not believe the gold and silver I have found.
The bottom line is, and Monte has said it a thousand times, the only real discriminator are your eyes.
I dig everything above iron. I dig a lot of trash. When I am tired of digging trash I quit. I feel my job is to dig. Rest assured, the valuable targets are worth all the other work. And the more you dig the greater the odds are that you will find the good stuff.
No two situations are the same. There are a billion different situations to give you grey hair. But I will tell you one thing, every piece of silver and gold was a complete surprise when it came out of the ground. I have had many 4 and 5 ring days in the last year. That is working 2 hours a day and worth all the garbage cans I have filled with trash.
Then I bought a detector a year ago that changed the way I dug targets. I learned so much in an 8 month period it would scare you. You would not believe the gold and silver I have found.
The bottom line is, and Monte has said it a thousand times, the only real discriminator are your eyes.
I dig everything above iron. I dig a lot of trash. When I am tired of digging trash I quit. I feel my job is to dig. Rest assured, the valuable targets are worth all the other work. And the more you dig the greater the odds are that you will find the good stuff.
No two situations are the same. There are a billion different situations to give you grey hair. But I will tell you one thing, every piece of silver and gold was a complete surprise when it came out of the ground. I have had many 4 and 5 ring days in the last year. That is working 2 hours a day and worth all the garbage cans I have filled with trash.
Dirtdigger33
Active member
I agree with the dig everything motto. It is one of the reasons I love owning Tesoro detectors so much aside form the Deleon and the Cortes there are no TID detectors and no screens. Since owning my Compadre I have found some great keepers in coins, relics and jewelry. I like the simple, yet powerful and practical, design and engineering of Tesoro detectors. No bells and whistles are needed, just success story after success story from satisfied customers like myself. Keep doing what your doing Tesoro and we will keep lining up to buy the classics from the past and the Tesoros of the future.
Although I dont have a lot of experience with the Outlaw (yet), I find that it is locating coins in locations that have been missed by myself and other detectors (both human and electronic). This is not new...I have done the same with other detectors. What is new (to me) is that the Outlaw's signal indicates pretty clearly, regardless of depth, that the target is worthwhile. As I said, I am still learning this machine, and although I have another Tesoro which is very similar to it, I gleaned very quickly that there are differences, and these differences make a difference in the field in discriminating with your ears. I agree that the only real way to find out what a target is, is to dig it. I have dug a lot of trash with the Outlaw...there is no other way to learn what a machine might be telling me, and even then I dont always get it right...and still do get surprised ( with any of my detectors) and to me, those surprises are a big part of the fun. But, there are some days when I just dont feel like digging everything...those are the days I really appreciate a machine with very good discrimination features, like the Outlaw has. HH
Les in the UK
New member
Then your finding the good things that are laying next to the trash.
If your not finding any trash then you won't be finding many good things to take home.
Have you ever wondered why the guys that dig the most trash always make the best finds.
All you guys that are detecting with your discrimination set too high are leaving a lot more in the ground than your finding, your also leaving the best finds for people like me to find. many thanks for that you guys.
Les in the UK
If your not finding any trash then you won't be finding many good things to take home.
Have you ever wondered why the guys that dig the most trash always make the best finds.
All you guys that are detecting with your discrimination set too high are leaving a lot more in the ground than your finding, your also leaving the best finds for people like me to find. many thanks for that you guys.
Les in the UK
If you set the discrimination on the Outlaw at the point where a sports foil drink cap will crackle and pop, have the sensitivity set where the unit is super stable, and the threshold set to just barely audible, you can tell trash targets like can slaw in the discrimination mode by simply raising the coil and slowly sweeping the target. If you raise the coil and you hear a lot of crackling and popping when you sweep, it most likely trash. If you raise the coil and the target just softly fades away, it's most likely a coin. Nickels and pull tabs will crackle a little. At any rate, this method sure makes searching a can slaw loaded field or park a lot more enjoyable when running a low discrimination setting when searching for gold jewelry.
The Vaquero goes a little deeper, but it can't match the discrimination performance of the Outlaw.
tabman
The Vaquero goes a little deeper, but it can't match the discrimination performance of the Outlaw.
tabman
Guys I hunt with a Cortez and if you set the discrimination just under a Nickle your depth suffers greatly so I know what you are talking about. I have to set discrimination at just over iron and I actually carry a nickle and a Zinc penny on a string that I use to get my depth and tone to hit good on a Nickle. I like the Nickle to hit at about 6 or 7 inches. I do this by adjusting discrimination first, Threshold second, then sensativity. Most rings hit as Nickles and the TID is always under 24. If it is a junk ring TID is higher and most likely I will not dig it. My tabs hit at 31 and I can hear a double hit as the coil passes over it just right. My Zinc pennies hit in the high 60s sometimes 70s depending on their condition. A lot of the Zinc Pennies will give a good hit one way but not the other, especially with the Narrow notch on. I am sorry but I will dig Zincs all day long. I have this thing about being too lazy to pick up money and a Zinc Penny is money to me, so I have to dig it. I enjoy my Cortez and I just can not see using a Machine without the Notch. I also use a Golden Saber. I just wish my Cortez had the Doughnut Coil on it instead of the Elipticle. I might trade a 5.75 almost new for a Doughnut concentric if someone was interested.