Some research help with photos off the net

[tabdog]

I've been doing some hunting at an old WW II training camp.

Sense it's not Civil War related, the finds are not as valuable.

But I enjoy doing it. I think it's neat, and there some finds I've

made that do have some value. One problem is figuring out

where stuff was. I got some help on an on-line antique place.

I got this picture fold out post card with 18 photos from 1918.

I bought this for $10. It didn't sale on an auction. I got it on a

reduced price.

The poor guy that mailed this was leaving for Europe the next

day.

Here is something I can sell to collectors. Artillary timer fuses.
It is very hard to find one in tact.

I got this photo off the net.

Here's more finds, or junk. Just depends on how you look at it. I enjoy it though.

Notice the musket balls on the lower right?

Hope you enjoyed seeing one of my places to hunt.

HH,

 

[ironpit]

I always enjoy seeing what others are digging thanks for posting.

I used to think why would someone post a picture of $3.00 of clad.
Now I enjoy seeing it because I know that it took 4 hours of labor.

 

[tabdog]

I found an old cemetery on this site. There is a two year old girl's grave there. She died in 1866.

Behind the cemetery I found several musket balls.

I also found where a very small, old building once stood. It had a cook stove, some tools and
cans and jars and just junk inside.

In a strait line I found pieces of three timer fuses. One was 120 yards from the bldg and just 15
yards from the cemetery.

The next one was 20 yards from the bldg.

The third one hit the bldg and blew it up. The pieces were all over the place. Here is some I found.

As you can see they were ranging in on the building with their artillery. They almost hit the cemetery
with the first one.

Here is a sketch I made to show what I am talking about. Click the image and you can read it.

The outfit that did this was the 147 Artillery Regiment. One of them lost their regiment insignia.
It is brass with ceramic inset.

I found it between the second and third timer fuse, and close to the building site.

I just thought that was kind of interesting.

HH,

 

[tabdog]

I don't know why, but I like this WW I handgranade pin.

I think it's neat. There is a cattle bell. They used horses in WW I.

Scanner didn't work well with the granade pin.

Thanks for looking.

HH,

 

[tabdog]

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[tab-nabit]

Neat stuff there Tabdog.
I'm wondering, is this is one of the reasons your considering the Tejon? (hitting deeper)

 

[rmptr]

Those are great finds Dog!

The artillery fuses don't have a charge in them, do they?

Does Google earth or the terra server show any interesting views of the area?

HH

 

[tabdog]

I have more relic sites to go to.

It's just that this one stays a little dryer

HH,

 

[tabdog]

No those fuses were blown off the round when it exploded.

The fuses are set with a wrench before firing. There is a delay

after the round hits. That can give different amounts of penetration

before detonation.


I've searched Google Earth and have found some features. Most I

have not been to yet. The area is huge. Some of it has housing

development. And other kinds of developments. I have had my best

luck just driving around and taking a wild hair and following it.

That's how I found it in the first place. I followed a trail into the

woods and started finding the stuff. That's when I found out it was there.

It was expanded and then later some of it was reverted to private

ownership and part was given to the city. Another huge area is still

used by the US Army.

 

[bubba2]

Tagdog, I worked with a lot of Fuze's over the years. Some of those don,t look fired. They have a safety and arming mechanical clock mechanism that goes through a g load setback when fired and arms the squib which is very much like a blasting cap and can take your hand off. The squib set off the HE round screwed to the Fuze.The delay and arming on firing was to protect the gun crew so it didn't blow up in the barrel or blow up close to them.Those look like the cutaway picture you have and may or may not cover what you have in your hand. Penetrating fuses use a delay circuit that is a electronic timer and in those days were made with miniature vacuum tubes. There were also proximity fuse's that went off overhead. All these were different but could look almost the same. The piece on the front is of course the point contact detonator or what is called by some the "stinger". My advice would be to talk to the "Ordnance Disposal Team" at LRAFB and have them checked out.(They will probably confiscate them) That place your looking(I know it) also has unexploded ordnance just waiting for a guy that likes to dig them up. One of those blowing up with a HE round attached to it will cause a large crater and no more Tagdog which would be a great loss to all the people that enjoy reading Tagdogs post(that includes me.) Bubba2

 

[tabdog]

Hay bubba2,

When I discovered what I was dealing with I started looking into it.
For years, teams went through this area disposing the ordinances.
There

 

[rmptr]

THAT is what I suspected.

and YES, I would take advice from someone named Bubba.

Be well!

 

[tabdog]

I'm not going to try and get technical here.

But this is what these timer fuses look like before they are mounted on a round.
I got this photo of the web.

Once detonated it is rare that they survive in tact, but some do. I have found
lots of pieces and fragments but only two in tact. They are very rare.

Here is what usually happens to them.

HH,

 

[rmptr]

Tabdog sez, "...got more education than Judge Judy."


That's funny, I don't care who you are!

 

[tabdog]

The reason I say that is because he has been taking college coarses for well
over 40 years. He has tought draduate level coarses. And written many
manuals on manufacturing.

The US Government and many corporations have paid for 100% of his education.

To him, it is just part of the territory.

And, yes there are people with more education than Judge Judy insipte of what
she say's.

HH,

 

[rmptr]

Boy have I gotten into trouble now!

I'm afraid someone's gonna mail me a box with a spring loaded Arkie-Barkie in it!

I promise I'll never say another word about yer relations OR ur galfriends ever again!

(Hope I had my mask on that day, maybe they won't notice it was me!)

 

[tabdog]

I hope you didn't think I was offended.

I was just taking the opportunity to brag

on my brother.

I like to brag about my little successes

also. That's the Arkie in me.

I promise, my Arkie is all Barkie.

I'm just a teddy bear. That's a

Arkie Barkie Teddy Black Bear.

HH,

 

[rmptr]

Nah...

I was just joshin' you, Tabdog.

It does sound your brother is a sharp fellow.
Does he spend any time with MD, too?

...If I knew something about photoshoping pictures I would have put an Arkie Barkie in a hand of the snoopy jack-in-the-box...
I just found out THEY are collector's items, too!

hh

 

[tabdog]

Hay Rmptr,

He is trying to retire but they keep saying "you have to do this one more thing.
Nobody els can do it right."

He wants to move back close to home. His wife passed away and mine too.

I would like to get him to try it and see if he likes it. You never know.

I think he might be a Minlab type.

HH,