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SO... where do I go from here ??? My exp II is gone...

Mark ( ohio )

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Maybe a regrettable decision, but I let go my great exp II today and now I have to rethink a replacement... but here's what prompted the sell.. It's really the combination of age ( me ) and the weight of the detector that made long hrs on the sand ( or land for that matter ) really ruff on the shoulder and arm...

We all know the fbs units are killer on salt water beaches, BUT... anybody out there maybe have a good deal of time using a dues... or maybe a racer on the beach?? Is performance close to fbs?? Looks like the lite weight may work better for me... Maybe another suggestion

Hollar if ya have any thoughts

Mark ( ohio )
 
Unfortunately none of those single freq VLF's will compare to your old FBS unit in wet salt. Most all will balance down to salt but in my experience the depth is only minimal compared to multi freq machines. Wouldn't a multi freq machine in a configuration of a T2 be great. I have used my Explorer a little for beach detecting but it's poor balance wears my arm down so I chose to use my Excal on a balanced rear mount straight shaft. Hip mounting is another option with a cz-21 or Excal
 
Hi Mark,
I have a couple Excals on straight shafts, not too bad to swing, a CZ hip mount, same. TDI with T foot coil is a perfectly balanced dream to swing for such a heavy unit it swings all day! I just got a Racer and have hit several coins at 6 inches in the wet salt beach. Still not sure how well it can do compared to previous mentioned MDs. I had a SE Pro for a couple years and did have issue with weight, WOT was a killer (bungie helped). How much salt beach hunting do you do? Good luck, Amigo
 
I have major hours beach hunting with an SE Pro and have owned every model since the original Explorer. The SE Pro is the best balanced of the bunch, the weight is somewhat reduced but overall yeah its a work out swinging it for hours on a beach when targets may be few and far between. But here's the thing, the SE Pro and SE Pro coil is a beach jewelry gobbling monster. It will slap hell out of any Whites machine on a beach, we have sent Whites users scrambling off the beach mumbling to themselves by walking behind them and digging rings and jewelry. So what to do?

You have to be willing to chop shop your Explorers. Start with a Whites S shaft and lower, they weigh almost nothing and are dirt cheap. You will have to fabricate an adaptor or some washers to attach a Minelab coil as the coil wing spacing is different. To chop weight off the Explorer bits you will retain start with the coil connectors, they are large and heavy. Consider dedicating the machine to beach hunting, snip off the coil connectors and hard wire an SE coil into the control box. As part of this process you can install a plastic waterproof cord grip, there is room in the front of the Explorer control box to drill a hole for this. You have enough room on the opposite side for another cord grip for the battery cable. You can then also seal up the bottom of the Explorer control box which gives you a fairly water tight unit for beach hunting, even in heavy rain.

You will have to fabricate a clamp to mount the Explorer control box onto the Whites shaft. You will want to physically locate the Explorer control box back further towards your elbow to improve the balance. You will fabricate a housing for the Explorer battery, this you will locate at the extreme rear of the shaft under your elbow. Its possible to even over due this where the nose of the Explorer gets too light which is to say balancing the Explorer is entirely possible. Pro tip #39 make your own beach hunting battery packs using not AA but AAA batteries. Use 10 rechargeable cells instead of 8. The Explorer is designed to use 8 regular AA cell batteries each 1.5 volts producing a total of 12vdc. As some of you know rechargeable batteries only produce 1.2 volts per cell, giving you only 9.6 volts total. So you can up this to 10 rechargeable cells and a 10 cell pack of AAA rechargeable batteries will give you quite a lot of run time. You will drag our butt back to your vehicle exhausted long before a 10 cell rechargeable AAA pack dies. This reduces the battery weight significantly vs AA's. You will want your battery housing to be light, but rugged. You will find several types of plastic pipe/tube up to the task. You might be tempted to use an Excalibur battery housing, that will work but those things are really heavy and they have an oddball Ikelite connector. You could hard wire the battery pack via a cord grip or use a small waterproof fitting, this would let you swap battery packs and modify your charger with the same connector.

If you use your Explorer for both beach and land detecting and want to retain use of an X1 probe, there is even enough room on the Explorer control box for a connector for the probe and a toggle switch, eliminating the X1 probe box and switch, connectors and extra cable.

Finally a note about the Explorer housing itself. It might be tempting to think about fabricating your own housing but in my experience you will be very hard pressed to fabricate something that's as light as the factory housing already is. You will have to retain the front panel no matter what for the buttons and that panel has compound curves that's not easily adapted to the front of something you might build. The guts of the Explorer are odd shaped with some larger capacitors jutting out, there's a sandwich of boards that stack together, they just fit inside the factory housing. If I were going to go this route, and I have a design I have been kicking around for years, I would separate two of the boards from the screen board, relocate both the batteries and these two boards to the extreme rear of the shaft under my elbow, and build a small thin housing just for the screen and buttons out front more similar to a Whites machine. The reason I have not taken on this challenge thus far is the large number of wires required, I think its like 13 just for the button panel, another 20+ for the screen so the wire cable would be thick and heavy possibly defeating the purpose of weight reduction. I had considered using very fine magnet wire inside a water tight length of tubing.

Anyway that's a quick brain dump as I have been down this road. I built one of these Whites shafted Explorers years ago and even the WOT wasn't bad swinging.
 
Charles, my man, any place to see pictures? :thumbup:
 
Id like to see a few snaps of that set-up also.... Help me understand something tho.... aren't all explorer variations, from xs to se pro all the SAME control box and lay out..so weight distribution is the same between all models..( except for the pro coil of course. )

Regards. Mark
 
That's why I love when Charles posts,you WILL learn something!
 
I am going to have to do one of these mods with an xs. I will have the final product as balanced as a CTX but have way more coil options. I'm really not even concerned with making it submersible just rain proof.
 
My old Whites shafted version is long gone guys. There were differences between the different versions of the Explorers, I and II had these thick heavy plastic lower shafts for example while later models used carbon fiber. The current SE Pro coil is lighter than the Explorer I and II's. No real change to the upper shaft, control box housing other than improving the shaft clamp area that was cracking on the earlier models. They changed the stand and headphone plug. While the Explorer is a heavy detector its primary problem is that its nose heavy, simply balancing it makes it feel like a different machine.

Electronic/software/performance wise there are some differences model to model, typically trade offs imo. Its a matter of opinion whether a given change was an improvement, made things worse, or was irrelevant, varies by individual.
 
Amazingly I still had a gut shot picture of the Explorer control box, the photo was dated 2005 that tells you how long ago it was man. I marked the locations I drilled out in red. I used the two on the front near the speaker for the coil cable and battery cable inlets, I used Heyco Liquid Tight cord grip fittings. I put the coil connector for the X1 probe in the third location. Good lord look how huge that factory coil cable connector is, and I had forgotten you can pitch that speaker to save more weight. I back filled the grill with silicone caulk. Note the two large white wires coming out of the coil connector, those are single conductor shielded wires, one connects to the transmit winding in the coil and the other connects to the receive winding. One of the shields doubles as the machine ground, I don't remember which. Underneath those two large boards you see is a smaller board with the screen on it.

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I tried that but they kept catching on the sky hook and deflating. :blowup:
 
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