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Bowie

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Ive had my foot on the brakes in a mad skid from buying an E Trac since Ive heard about the V back in December. So tell me how is the V on the silver. Is it a silver sniffin hound like the E Trac or SE Pro? If so are you using all three freqs? or just the lowest one?? I still have some time before I buy, because of the heat and some personnal issues for the next couple months. Is a good time to be reading Andys book tho.
This is an upfront question, I dont own any Minelab equipment, all Whites.
Thanks,
John
 
If all you have is Whites... try an E-TRAC. Just my opinion...

J
 
Read this written by Bill, the whole post is on the X Terra forum, The 90th percentile...............

White's own admission they have been working on the new V3 for 5(five) years, let me repeat that, 60 months! Just like there are "dog years", in "electronics development years" the V3 was started in the Ice Age! Much of Minelab's success is due to U.S. manufacturer's failure to execute! The V3 is the White's answer to the Explorer, but five years later. And for certain there would be no V3 if Minelab had not pushed White's to compete. If you purchase a V3 and like it, some of the thanks is due to Minelab for pushing White's.
 
LOL, Im just a country boy down here in Louisiana, heck, I didnt get a pair of shoes till I was in the 6th grade, I dont know much about who is pushing who or what company is best.
I had talked with Larry back in December and Im sure he talks to so many people he wouldnt remember. Told him I wanted an SE Pro and he suggested waiting on Whites new arrival. Larry is a stand up guy, he told me right up front he also used a SE and it was good on silver finds.
Well Ive waited, and faithfully read the V3 forum. I just wanted someones input on how it was doing as far as silver finds and maybe how they were using it.
I dunno why, but I have a hankering for an E Trac. I gotta have surgery next month and can not do anything for a month after surgery. Im kinda at a point where I wanna get some serious reading material on either detector to help me along when I make a purchase. I was looking for cool level headed answers, no pro Whites or pro Minelab.
Well I gotta go, wife cant get the weed eater started, I always hate that cause I get hot and sweaty trying to start that thing.
Ok, thanks
John
 
Jack Flynn said:
Read this written by Bill, the whole post is on the X Terra forum, The 90th percentile...............

White's own admission they have been working on the new V3 for 5(five) years, let me repeat that, 60 months! Just like there are "dog years", in "electronics development years" the V3 was started in the Ice Age! Much of Minelab's success is due to U.S. manufacturer's failure to execute! The V3 is the White's answer to the Explorer, but five years later. And for certain there would be no V3 if Minelab had not pushed White's to compete. If you purchase a V3 and like it, some of the thanks is due to Minelab for pushing White's.

:crylol:
 
Sure I remember you John. If you want to try an E-Trac, go ahead and try one, I think you would end up with the V3 though, expecially if you like finding gold jewelry and are already familiar with the White's line.
 
I used an Explorer SE for over a year and never did really warm up to it. I think eventually I would have if I had lowered the variability, I hate the multiple tones on shallow targets... I mean that it will signal with like 14 different tones on a shallow coin instead of the one tone that really applies to that target, it's like an arpeggio. At the end I switched to AM/Ferrous and finally started to undrstand the machine, the addition of the PRO coil made a HUGE difference but still... it was more like work than fun to use it. For that year or so... I used the SE almost every time I hunted and I hunt multiple times each week, i'd use it until I couldn't take it anymore and switch to an F75, which I no longer have. Everytime i'd switch i'd immediately begin to make finds.

Now... when the E-TRAC cam out I read the posts for a bit and ordered one. I immediately bonded with it and make good finds in hard places with it regularly. I use it a little differently than most folks, i mostly relic hunt and I run it in Ferrous/2tone. If I am strictly coin hunting I switch to conductive sounds and multi tones. I set my varibility and limits to the max and my threshold tone to 19, I run auto+ most of the time.

If you can why not try to find someone in your area who has an E-TRAC and someone who has a V-3 and go check them out for yourself. The E-TRAC is less complicated and much more of a turn on and go machine, at least from what I can tell... I only got my V-3 yesterday but you can DL and view the manuals. You may find one machine more comfortable than the other. The way ML changed the angle on the handle from the Explorer to the ET makes it easier to use. The ET is a good bit heavier than the T2 but, as for me, (and I have some back problems), I can hunt all day with the ET or with the Tejon but after an hour or two the T2 gives me pain... so weight isn't the whole story... balance is.

I think that both the ET and the V-3 are TOP OF THE LINE machines and are probably the two best detectors available. A plus for the V-3 is Whites willingness to upgrade it in the future , (for a fee), when they make the V-4 or V-3+ or whatever they will call it. They have said that they will make upgrades available, IIRC. Don't look for this from Minelab. They will just come out with a new model in a year or so and it will cost as much or more than the current E-TRAC. ML say's that the SE is the end off the Explorer line. So, in a nutshell E-TRAC II will cost you a bundle and will replace the E-TRAC while the Spectra II, (if I understand Whites correctly), will be a small upgrade fee and shipping cost.

BUT... if you like one better than the other and it "speaks" to you better than the other... that, I think, is the most important thing. You know, sometimes you pick up something and it just clicks. You need to try both of them a couple of times if you can or better yet get one and then get the other. That is why I have several machines... because sites differ and there are some sites where one machine will work better than another. I have a couple of sites where the Tejon works better than anything I have, but I am looking forward to trying the Spectra there...


It looks like you have time to think about it more... D/L and read both manuals. Watch all the vids you can find and keep talking to people. Since you cannot really hunt for a couple of months... give it a little more time. More people will be comparing the two. I will be. I plan to go to a tough park and mark targets, especially iffy ones, try both machines, see what they tell me, then dig.

I noticd one thing yesterday. A nice harness buckle and a couple of other CW era buckles, (not plates), did not read well on the Spectra. The tone was there in "coin and jewelry" mode, nut it is a single tone. The bar graph however looked horrible, all broken and really all over the place. I probably wouldn't have dug them using the Spectra, one is a nice frame buckle too.

I noticed on another forum, someone from Great Britain saying that he wouldn't have to dig anymore "coke" now that he has a Spectra... I didn't have time to replly but I think he might be missing some stuff if he relys too much on the bars...

Now... remember... I haven't even used mine in the field yet, but I will today. This was all from testing dug targets laid on the ground and targets in the ground may well be completly different.

You have time... use it.

Julien
 
>>A plus for the V-3 is Whites willingness to upgrade it in the future , (for a fee), when they make the V-4 or V-3+ or whatever they will call it.<<

>>(if I understand Whites correctly), will be a small upgrade fee and shipping cost.<<

Hi Julien, Can you verify the above? Were did this come from? Thank You

Jerry
 
so the V3 was in development for 5 yrs. How long were the minelab machines in development? Never saw that little tidbit posted anywhere....
 
CROCK of COINS said:
>>A plus for the V-3 is Whites willingness to upgrade it in the future , (for a fee), when they make the V-4 or V-3+ or whatever they will call it.<<

>>(if I understand Whites correctly), will be a small upgrade fee and shipping cost.<<

Hi Julien, Can you verify the above? Were did this come from? Thank You

Jerry

No... I don't remember where I read that or if I remember it correctly but I think I read that somewhere. They are, in fact, already offering fixes and updates... they are up to ver. 1.3 why wouldn't they offer more in the future if they come up with a few tweaks or improvements?

I don't think I imagined it but it wouldn't be the first time I misunderstood something....

I no one else remembers it or knows anything about it... then I probably misundrstood something someone said. Sorry if I confused anything, I easily confuse myself...

J
 
Jack Flynn said:
Read this written by Bill, the whole post is on the X Terra forum, The 90th percentile...............

White's own admission they have been working on the new V3 for 5(five) years, let me repeat that, 60 months! Just like there are "dog years", in "electronics development years" the V3 was started in the Ice Age! Much of Minelab's success is due to U.S. manufacturer's failure to execute! The V3 is the White's answer to the Explorer, but five years later. And for certain there would be no V3 if Minelab had not pushed White's to compete. If you purchase a V3 and like it, some of the thanks is due to Minelab for pushing White's.


Who cares how long it was being developed its not like they made it 5 years ago and just released it now. I am sure as new technology became available they utilized it that's why its called development. I would rather have something that took some time and thought rather then the same machine with a new name.
I love my new V3 but I am not thanking minelab for it. Thanks whites MADE IN THE U.S.A
 
Well legally, White's can claim that it is NOT in competition with Minelab, or with anyone else for that matter. Unless they make an official statement that they are in competition with Minelab than that's different. The consumer creates and fuels the competition not the manufacturer. White's can take five years creating the worlds best metal detector and who's to argue those engineers who created it have ever heard of Minelab. So this whole augment Of Minelab pushing White's to come along is total B.S. These co-relationships are a matter of opinion and in my opinion the end user is the last group to find out information. And in another philosophical note, we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes Between White's and Minelab.
 
Imagine since the release of the V3, the relationship is kinda....cool. No matter...they are good for each other... and need each other.
 
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