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Snake buckele?
- Thread starter denny
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...here's one that I found a few years ago, and for certain mine is NOT a Confederate issue.
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This particular one was found in Canada along with a number of items from WWI, in which they were worn part of the British/Canadian uniform well into the war. (see oliver pattern) As well, these snake buckles were used by Canadian police forces.
1915 Pattern:
Oliver Pattern:
http://www.civilization.ca/cwm/boer/boerwarequipment_e.html
During the Civil War, these same type snake buckles were supplied by the British to the Confederacy with the rifled Enfield musket and was included with a cap pouch, enfield belt (with snake buckle), cartridge box, bayonet, frog & scabbard.
For a number of years, unscrupulous Civil War dealers were buying Canadian WWI vintage snake buckles and selling them again as Confederate issue. That trick is now well known. I've heard you can tell because the newer issued snake buckles have a "squashed guppy" look, however I have also read that some of the same molds have been used to make these since the time of the civil war.
There are many varieties of snake buckles: snake heads, duck heads etc, etc, and there are books available for identifying them.
As I mentioned, I dug mine in Canada with other WWI items--buttons & badges and the like. If you dug yours down south alongside CW relics, then it's pretty sure you've got a confederate issue.
Say, what a great find, eh? When I found mine, I dropped it in my pouch thinking it was just a rusted "S"-hook. It wasn't till later I got looking at it and saw some of the details though the dirt. What a surprise when it was cleaned up!
[attachment 19686 s.jpg]
This particular one was found in Canada along with a number of items from WWI, in which they were worn part of the British/Canadian uniform well into the war. (see oliver pattern) As well, these snake buckles were used by Canadian police forces.
1915 Pattern:
Oliver Pattern:
http://www.civilization.ca/cwm/boer/boerwarequipment_e.html
During the Civil War, these same type snake buckles were supplied by the British to the Confederacy with the rifled Enfield musket and was included with a cap pouch, enfield belt (with snake buckle), cartridge box, bayonet, frog & scabbard.
For a number of years, unscrupulous Civil War dealers were buying Canadian WWI vintage snake buckles and selling them again as Confederate issue. That trick is now well known. I've heard you can tell because the newer issued snake buckles have a "squashed guppy" look, however I have also read that some of the same molds have been used to make these since the time of the civil war.
There are many varieties of snake buckles: snake heads, duck heads etc, etc, and there are books available for identifying them.
As I mentioned, I dug mine in Canada with other WWI items--buttons & badges and the like. If you dug yours down south alongside CW relics, then it's pretty sure you've got a confederate issue.
Say, what a great find, eh? When I found mine, I dropped it in my pouch thinking it was just a rusted "S"-hook. It wasn't till later I got looking at it and saw some of the details though the dirt. What a surprise when it was cleaned up!
Found in California from a settlement that dates back 1840`s.
Also my buddy found a civil war or pre civil war era sword belt plate and buttons.
I figured someone from the war brought the snake and sword belt plate west after the war.
The snake buckle is as not a big as your snake buckle. Looks like a seahorse don`t you
think? HHdenny
Also my buddy found a civil war or pre civil war era sword belt plate and buttons.
I figured someone from the war brought the snake and sword belt plate west after the war.
The snake buckle is as not a big as your snake buckle. Looks like a seahorse don`t you
think? HHdenny
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...my best guess would be that it is a Confederate issue, den, or most certainly from that era. If you compare the detail between the two, yours is much more intricate than mine which suggests that it predates it by a number of years. If you compare mine (which is most likely a 1902 issue) with pictures of modern reproductions, there is far less detail again.
Try posting it on the Relic Forum (those guys are the CW experts) and they can tell you for sure.
http://www.findmall.com/list.php?30
About CW articles being brought to California after the war? Absolutely, it would have happened. That you are finding them is remarkable. Good digging! I read somewhere that when the Civil War began, Mark Twain beat it for California to stay the heck out of it, and I was always under the impression that California did not have much involvement in the war at all. Below however, a couple interesting links to the contrary about California's role in the Civil War:
http://www.militarymuseum.org/HistoryCW.html
Some good links here as well (some are dead):
http://www.archaeolink.com/civil_war_california.htm
The snake buckle I posted came from my first year of detecting and is among my favorites--not only was it was among the first of the neat old stuff I started digging when I first got into detecting, but how it surprised me so when it came back out of my pouch, transforming from what I thought was just a rusty old piece of junk to something remarkably cool. As well, for it's story and the history that it opened up when I started researching to find out just what the heck such a beautiful old hook was used for. For me, it's those kind of finds that make this hobby so great.
Thanks for posting! Keep us updated with what you're digging out there, dig?
--Steve
Try posting it on the Relic Forum (those guys are the CW experts) and they can tell you for sure.
http://www.findmall.com/list.php?30
About CW articles being brought to California after the war? Absolutely, it would have happened. That you are finding them is remarkable. Good digging! I read somewhere that when the Civil War began, Mark Twain beat it for California to stay the heck out of it, and I was always under the impression that California did not have much involvement in the war at all. Below however, a couple interesting links to the contrary about California's role in the Civil War:
http://www.militarymuseum.org/HistoryCW.html
Some good links here as well (some are dead):
http://www.archaeolink.com/civil_war_california.htm
The snake buckle I posted came from my first year of detecting and is among my favorites--not only was it was among the first of the neat old stuff I started digging when I first got into detecting, but how it surprised me so when it came back out of my pouch, transforming from what I thought was just a rusty old piece of junk to something remarkably cool. As well, for it's story and the history that it opened up when I started researching to find out just what the heck such a beautiful old hook was used for. For me, it's those kind of finds that make this hobby so great.
Thanks for posting! Keep us updated with what you're digging out there, dig?
--Steve