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Smaller coils: Which way to go?

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My XS is coming this week. It's only coming with the standard coil but I know that I'll be wanting to put on a smaller coil for it. My question is, which is better when it comes to smaller coils....the Minelab's or the Sunray's? I've seen and heard different opinions of both. Yes, I'm sure they're both great but in your opinion which one would you go with? Specifically interested in getting an 8" and 5" in the future.
Also, anyone know where I can get a good price on either brand&size? (Note: Please don't say the big "K". You know who I mean. *lol*)
Thanks!
HH
Elmer
 
Well, I am going to put it straight on ya. I know you know what a certain "someone'ist" thinks about the X-1, but I am telling you, he is dead wrong. How can he know without even touching one? Anyway, do your self a <b>BIG</b> favor and buy the X-1 probe before you even consider another coil! Trust me! Email Justin (and he doesn't even have his yet and he knows), TC, Keith, SgtSki, Jack, any of those guys that have one and see what they think. It will help you out more than you possibly can imagine. This is not anything like any other probe made! They can't hold a candle to the X-1.
Now to your question, The stock coil works much better in trash than what you are currently swinging, you just have to get used to the pinpointing with the double d, but it doesn't take that long to learn how to pinpoint well with it. Ted (TC) has told me before that he is completely positive that the stock coil does better in trash than his XLT did with the snooper 350 on. But, IMO, if you have to have a smaller coil, I think the Sunray is the way to go. I have the 8" and 5" Sunray and have used the Joey 5"x10" and the Minelab 8". They all have about the same depth with "maybe" the Joey edging them out by a hair. The Sunray 8", IMO, falses on iron less than the other two. I dug many nails with the Minelab that I would have bet money on being silver. The Minelab coil is like 7 1/4" where the Sunray is a full 8". That doesn't sound like much, but it does make up a lot of ground coverage at the end of the day. The Sunray is lighter than the Minelab, not by much, but you can tell if you put both on and compare. The Sunray is off more on the depth meter than the minelab (This may not be accurate, but after using both it seems that way, I didn't have both at the same time so I am not 100%) The Sunray if it shows half a depth meter, 6", it is usually in the plug. It is way off, but using it a while you get used to that quick enough. With any of the smaller coils, you want to run at least 7 gain.
I didn't mention the 5" much. It is an awesome coil with very respectable depth. But if you had both, I am sure you would be using the 8" more. Between either 8 and the 5, I would say the 8 first. I very rarely use a smaller coil. I have probably used the 8" an hour tops this year.
 
Hey, thanks for the info!
I've seen a few posts regarding the different coils and various characteristics of each...some of which you reiterated in your post. I guess I'd have to actually try it for myself first to see. I have friends up here who use the XS with the 8" (Robin (MI) and Neal (IN) too I think) and they seem to do fairly well. I'd like to get an 8" at least. 5" may not be necessary but I guess I'll see how much I like the stock first and what it can do.
As for the X1, I've heard a lot about it as well and someone explained it to me before but I'm not sure if I'd really ever need it (read the ad at Sunray website too). Sure it's an extension of the detector's features but...well...why? Why would one really need all that info to pinpoint a target? You pinpoint with detector, dig down to relative depth indicated and pinpoint. What else is there to know? I use a simple used Tiny Tec Deluxe right now and it serves it's purpose. It works and that's good enough for me. I've never had any real problem finding a target once I've popped a plug. Now, I'm not saying I'd <i>never</i> get an X1 (especially if the price is right) but right now, I wouldn't pay the extra money for one of them Periscope deals either. You know what I mean. <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":)">
HH!
Elmer
Btw - Didn't realize (or forgot?) that you and "C" were on the 'outs'. What's that all about? "Can't we all just get along?" <IMG SRC="/forums/images/wink.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=";)">
My detecting season started late (a few weeks ago) so I'm trying to catch up!
 
When you only dig coins at 4-5", you don't need a probe! You haven't dug any holes yet like you will with the Explorer! And if you only use an 8" you are not taking full advantage of the Explorer so you might as well save your money in the first place.
It is not all about added info of the probe, it is about finding a target, period. The X-1 will go 3-4 inches on a coin, does your tiny-tec?
The Explorer picks up coins on edge like no detector you have ever used, this is a big reason so many have trouble pinpointing, that and how close it will get coins to trash. When you have a coin on edge, as I am sure you know, the pinpoint is usually off. When you dig down so far you break the halo then the coil loses the target. With out the X-1 you are left with an empty hole and you will just fill in the hole out of frustration, ultimately leaving a good coin for me to find! <IMG SRC="/forums/images/biggrin.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":D">
Let me repeat a story about the probe that I doubt that you have heard. I went over to Indiana to hunt with Justin and his Grandpa Don and that is when I finally met Jack. This area we were hunting was where they had pulled a lot of old coins but targets were nonexistent now, at least very slim, you might swing for 45 minutes without even a promising false. I get this high pitched little crappy signal that won't repeat but something drew my attention to it. I kept messing with it but I was getting a pinpoint off to the side of where the hit was. I had not dug a target for a while so I thought I would try it. Dig down 9" where the pinpoint was and get a solid low tone with the probe. Dig out a 1907 V nickel. Don was standing there and I was talking to him a minute and get ready to fill the hole in and think, wait a minute, that wasn't a nickel tone. I picked the detector up and the whole area was a total null. So I turn the probe on and scan the hole and get a broke up high tone off to the side of the bottom of the hole. I dig out a bunch of dirt down in that direction and stick the probe back in and it goes off high silver. Dig it out and it was an 1877cc seated dime at 12" +. There is absolutely no way I would have that coin if I did not have the probe. There is no doubt in my mind. Any other probe made wouldn't have known which way to dig because of the iron that was in the other side of the hole.
With the probe, I dig more iffy targets than I would even consider digging with out it. I know if I dig a hole and stick the probe in and it nulls, I can fill the hole in and move on to the next target. A non discriminating probe you have to dig till you find the nail to know. The more time you spend on the ground trying to find a target, the less coins you will find. We hunt with a guy that has an Explorer and no probe that will spend 20 minutes on the ground looking for a target. If he finds a wheat in one day he is tickled pink. He calls one of us over to find the target with the X-1 for every target he gets, it gets really old! But, you ask him why he don't buy an X-1, he says he don't need one! <IMG SRC="/forums/images/frown.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":(">
I had the money saved up three different times and ended up spending it because I did not want to spend that much money on a probe. Now I kick myself in the ass for not getting it sooner.
When you are sitting at an empty hole waisting a lot of time trying to find a target, you remember this little talk we had. And do me a favor, if you get to the point where you are about to give up on the Explorer out of frustration, buy the probe and give it a shot before you sell it. I promise if you do you will get almost every penny you spent on the probe back out of it if you decide to sell it. Very high demand for them! How many used X-1 probes have you seen on the classifieds and on ebay? There is a reason! <IMG SRC="/forums/images/smile.gif" BORDER=0 ALT=":)">
 
I agree 100% with Ric. I got the X-1 a couple months ago and it eliminated the time and frustration that sometimes comes with retrieving a target. It's fun too - like finding the coin twice, once with the coil and once with the probe - before the X-1 I was just relieved, "whew, thank God", when the coin somehow ended up in the dirt pile at the side of the hole.
Another big plus is that the probe tells me exactly what I'm dealing with in the hole - I almost always know if I got a silver dime, quarter, wheat or indian down there so I can judge how careful to be when retrieving the coin.
 
I've detected northern michigan lots of times and the coins up there are relatively shallow because of the sandy soil. Actually haven't got anything over 5" yet as far as I can recall. If your coin finds are similar then perhaps an X-1 will not be as useful as it is for others.
 
...a bit more sense then. I can see where it would come handy on the deep, deep holes. I guess I'll have to try the EXP first and see what I can do with it before even thinking about an X1. Like I said... I've seen it in action...kinda...with Robin using it the few times I've hunted with him and his EXP.
If I suck at using the EXP, then I won't need one for awhile. I'll let you know after I dig a few deep holes with "nothing" in them. hahaha
HH
Elmer
 
El, I don't have the probe either. I hunt with Ric, Justin and Ken and the guy Ric is talking about always calling them over to check the hole. (I don't think it's me but I have done that). The situation is, as soon as I can get the money for one, I'll have one. I had the same thought as you about will it really help, is it worth the money, etc. Down here in Central Il it's not unusual to dig a hole 10" deep, knowing something is there and walking away because you are an 1" off. Several times Ken has come over and waved the magic wand in the hole and said "try over here". I can't wait to get one. They truely are fantastic, especially if your XS is more then a hobby like mine is becoming.
HH Bryan
 
100%!!! I have mine on order. I left 4 promising targets last night due to roots and depth. I will go back when I get my X-1. I ordered it over a month ago, so it SHOULDN'T be long. I hope. Recovery time is minimized, that is the key for me. I have to make the most of my hunting time, and quicker recovery means more in the bottle when I go home. My other thought on it is this. I Ric'd my first seated coin. Had I the probe, I wouldn't have. I dug around the roots, and had I only known which side of the hole it was on, I would have a very nice 1876 seated dime, instead of a damaged on. Oh, here, lets discuss my near mint 1897 Barber Dime that I dug at 8 1/2", it was just under a large rock off to the side of the bottom. I wanted to get the rock out of the way, as it was only a hinderence, the coin was in the middle of the hole. Well, it wasn't, and thus my dime has a beard. It is your choice, El...but if you choose to by an accessory, I would choose the probe over the smaller coil. Good hunting, my friend!
Justin
 
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