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Small Coils Really Necessary For High Trash Areas?

lloyd0161

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Started out today using the 5 inch coil in the iron/pulltab infested baseball diamond at our local park. I generally hunt in iron mask and conductive modes. I was not getting any of the deep stuff however just iron, shallow pulltabs and some can slaw, etc. so decided to switch over to the pro-coil. With the pro-coil I kept getting the usual iron looks like silver in one direction and looks like iron at 90 degrees readings mixed with iron nulling so passed these up as probable iron. I kept this up until a few of the pulltab signals did the same thing just lower on the smart find screen and aligned with nickels and pulltabs. Pinpointing just centered on the iron in most cases and sweeping the center nulled out like iron with a high pitched tone off the assumed edge of the iron. So I had to approximate the center of the pulltab sounding targets. I dug a few of these to confirm that indeed they were deep pulltabs right next to iron. Normally I would have assumed these were just iron except the pulltab tone in one direction told me to dig these anyway. I then decided to go back and find some of the high pitched mixed signals which would be in the copper silver range. Glad I did this because one of these turned out to be a wheat and the other a silver dime. These were fairly deep and read up in the right hand corner of the smart find in one direction and then pegged on the iron line to the left when I turned at other angles to the target. From discussions in other posts this was supposedly a dead ringer for an iron target with the signal jumping from left to right on a slight angle at times. Checking these signals back and forth I was getting nulling from iron and iron reading except in the one direction. So I pinpointed the iron and it completely nulled out. Then I located the high pitch in the one direction and approximated the center of this signal which was steady on coin but only from one angle. Digging down resulted in the finds.

So in light of the above, could someone just get along without the smaller coils just learning how to interpret the mixed signals with the stock or a larger coil? The pro-coil appears to do well with separation. I am wondering if I should just part with the small coils and get some money back. Maybe I'll miss a few things here and there but generally should be able to find the bulk of the targets with the stock coil?
 
The smallest coil I've ever used on my explorers was the 4.5x7 excelerator, but the placement of the target icon on the screen skewed the results ie; when I thought I should be digging a dime it turned out to be a zinc... So now the smallest is the sunray x-8 I use...I hunt some terribly trash infested areas and this coil separates just fine... go slow and hear everything.

JMHO

Mark ( ohio )
 
Mark ( ohio ) said:
The smallest coil I've ever used on my explorers was the 4.5x7 excelerator, but the placement of the target icon on the screen skewed the results ie; when I thought I should be digging a dime it turned out to be a zinc... So now the smallest is the sunray x-8 I use...I hunt some terribly trash infested areas and this coil separates just fine... go slow and hear everything.

JMHO

Mark ( ohio )

Yes I also noticed the target id is a little skewed with the smaller coils as compared to the stock coils.
 
Pro coil does a good job in trash you just have to go real slow. Dig any high tone that hits two ways regardless of any nulling.
 
I would recommend keeping that small coil for certain sites but even more than that I highly recommend the X-8 coil for depth AND separation. There are signals that the pro coil will not even see because there are multiple targets nearby. X-8 has far superior separation to the stock coil size. If I have a good site to hunt I use 2 or more different coils to try to get everything I can get out of the site.
 
Good point. I have heard numerous people saying the X-8 is one of the best coils out there. I am waiting however for an ultimate 13" coil in the mail. I traded the X-5 for one. I still have the 6x8SEF.

NealNoIN said:
I would recommend keeping that small coil for certain sites but even more than that I highly recommend the X-8 coil for depth AND separation. There are signals that the pro coil will not even see because there are multiple targets nearby. X-8 has far superior separation to the stock coil size. If I have a good site to hunt I use 2 or more different coils to try to get everything I can get out of the site.
 
I have an X-8 on My Explorer,it.s a great coil and you will pick up missed goodies from the stock coil.In fact I think it's s good in high trash I leave my CTX with the 11" coil home and use the Explorer with the 8"in high trash.
 
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I use the 6x8 SEF in many situations after I use the 11" pro and clean up the area. I have the 10x12 SEF but it's too heavy for me so I don't really use it too often. The 6x8 does help but the finds ratio between the 2 is about 1 to 1 IMHO. I use ferrous tones but conductive is ok as I've used that too, but not primarily. Many times I turn down the sensitivity with the 11" to no less than 12 and up to 32 max on the 6x8 SEF over the same areas. The SE Pro gives you so much flexibility that once you know it, you can use it for whatever site you hit. Different coils, as you probably know, don't mean better finds, they do mean better options for the machine you're using. I'm glad you are going to use the 13" Ultimate as I have been looking at it for a replacement to my 11" Pro Coil. I love it on my Delta 4000 and I'd like to hear about your results.

Ed
 
Well I have decided that the answer is definitely yes on the small coil being needed. Today I was in a dense iron school yard where the 6x8 SEF really shined. I dug a lot of pull tabs and tin foil wads. But I was looking for jewelry.
 
Yeah Lloyd, the pull tabs and foil go with the territory when you're after the gold. The SE is real iffy on gold and you just have to dig. I'm still digging but my ratio numbers are getting close to finds so the only thing I worry about is too much cherry picking! :bouncy:
 
Is there a detector that can tell the difference between tabs, foil, and gold? If so I would like to know about it.

Old Pirate said:
Yeah Lloyd, the pull tabs and foil go with the territory when you're after the gold. The SE is real iffy on gold and you just have to dig. I'm still digging but my ratio numbers are getting close to finds so the only thing I worry about is too much cherry picking! :bouncy:
 
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