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small coil surprise ............ A very nice surprise
- Thread starter Elton
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I didn't mean anything did it better..I meant in general small coils separate better because their smaller, and don't see as much extra targets when near a target you hit.. The Racer is exceptional at separation and the small coil is deep.. Even the standard coil has good separation using the Racer.
I'm not going to type here that no other detector doesn't do well too. We all know that would not be the truth. There are several that are known for separation, and some have decent small coil depth too.
Does that take away from the Racer performance..NO way.. The racer is in fact awesome..and I for one love it..
I'm not going to type here that no other detector doesn't do well too. We all know that would not be the truth. There are several that are known for separation, and some have decent small coil depth too.
Does that take away from the Racer performance..NO way.. The racer is in fact awesome..and I for one love it..
I used my racer with the small coil yesterday for the first time. The only detector that I've ever used that came close to the Racer in target separation would probably be the White's Classic III and the IDX Pro with the 4" coil. Problem with those is that they are single tone. With the Racer I was able to use three tone and turn the Gain all the way down to 01 and listening for the high tones, I was picking coins out between trash better than any other detector I've ever used. I've used a lot of different detectors over the past 40 years and this is the most impressed I've been with a new detector in years. I really like my F19 in trashy areas also but I'm pretty sure I'll be grabbing the Racer next time I decide to hunt the trashiest sites.
The MAX mine will get with the small coil is 7.5" in the air on a dime in 3 tone mode, and that's with tone only and no ID numbers. Two tone is much more sparky than 3 tone on my machine. I can get it to air test the dime at 9.5 inches in 2 tone mode with audio only. If you go by where it IDs down to, its a bit less...about 7 inches for 2 tone.
This is all in the air.
In the ground, I can only get an iron signal on a quarter buried at 7 inches. If you were going by ID and tone, you wouldn't dig it all.
In several hunts and test....I have not dug anything deep with it, other than recently lost clad. In trying to find out why, I wanted to test the separation ability of targets on a 2D plane instead of a side by side separation test where the targets were all level to one another. In those tests, the Racer can quickly pick out all targets individually...even when they are VERY close to one another. I wanted to see what the Racer could do if I took a coin, place it at approx 2-3 inches deep...and then place a piece of aluminum foil, pulltab, or crown cap, etc at a shallower depth than the coin. NOT directly over top of it, but off to the side. What I discovered...in some instances, the Racer can pick out two targets...but the ID will NOT be in the 80s for the coin. No matter what you do. No matter what angle. The best I have been able to see are ID numbers in the 50s through 70s on some of the coins. I tried it with a dime and quarter and moved the pieces of trash to almost 3 inches away from the side of the coin and still got the same results. You can remove the trash and boom...IDs in the 80s. This is compounded even more when there are pieces of trash placed on both sides of the coin. If the coin is buried deeper than the trash, it is very hard to get the signal. I currently have 3 of the fastest recovery speed machines on the market today...the Racer pro pack, the Deus, and F19. All 3 of them struggle with this...I wouldn't trust specific tones or IDs on any of them if you are wanting to get deeper coins in the trash. And I'm only doing this with the coin just a couple inches deeper than the surface trash. This is compounded even more when the coin is placed further away from the trash...aka, deeper.
I tried this with buried targets in my test garden too, to see if the air gap might have been throwing my test off. In ground...it's even worse, and the coin has to be even shallower for you to be able to hear that there are two targets.
So what I gleamed from the whole thing is...if you are hunting in heavy modern trash and relying on target ID to determine whether you dig or not, you are probably leaving a lot of coins in the ground by doing so. Whether you believe you are or not. The Deus with a little tweaking of the recovery speed, can pick the targets out the best of the 3 detectors I currently have. The Racer is 2nd best at it...but ONLY if you are digging all signals that come up as non iron, regardless of the ID. It seems to be a lot better in iron than in modern trash. I personally see it as being a better relic machine in iron than being a good coin hunter in modern trash. Just my personal opinion: Some guys are making it sound like its the holy grail of detectors for coin hunting in heavy modern trash and sparking a lot of interest that is going to lead a lot of people to disappointment if that is their intended use. If you are hunting a spot with only isolated trash and deeper targets...I can see where a person might be happy. It will go deep with the stock coil in those type places. But for areas choked full of can slaw, tabs, crown caps, etc...based on my findings, I would see most of the coins being recovered as being clad and less than 4 inches deep if you are listening for that good high tone and looking for those 80 VDI numbers. Your milage may vary.
This is all in the air.
In the ground, I can only get an iron signal on a quarter buried at 7 inches. If you were going by ID and tone, you wouldn't dig it all.
In several hunts and test....I have not dug anything deep with it, other than recently lost clad. In trying to find out why, I wanted to test the separation ability of targets on a 2D plane instead of a side by side separation test where the targets were all level to one another. In those tests, the Racer can quickly pick out all targets individually...even when they are VERY close to one another. I wanted to see what the Racer could do if I took a coin, place it at approx 2-3 inches deep...and then place a piece of aluminum foil, pulltab, or crown cap, etc at a shallower depth than the coin. NOT directly over top of it, but off to the side. What I discovered...in some instances, the Racer can pick out two targets...but the ID will NOT be in the 80s for the coin. No matter what you do. No matter what angle. The best I have been able to see are ID numbers in the 50s through 70s on some of the coins. I tried it with a dime and quarter and moved the pieces of trash to almost 3 inches away from the side of the coin and still got the same results. You can remove the trash and boom...IDs in the 80s. This is compounded even more when there are pieces of trash placed on both sides of the coin. If the coin is buried deeper than the trash, it is very hard to get the signal. I currently have 3 of the fastest recovery speed machines on the market today...the Racer pro pack, the Deus, and F19. All 3 of them struggle with this...I wouldn't trust specific tones or IDs on any of them if you are wanting to get deeper coins in the trash. And I'm only doing this with the coin just a couple inches deeper than the surface trash. This is compounded even more when the coin is placed further away from the trash...aka, deeper.
I tried this with buried targets in my test garden too, to see if the air gap might have been throwing my test off. In ground...it's even worse, and the coin has to be even shallower for you to be able to hear that there are two targets.
So what I gleamed from the whole thing is...if you are hunting in heavy modern trash and relying on target ID to determine whether you dig or not, you are probably leaving a lot of coins in the ground by doing so. Whether you believe you are or not. The Deus with a little tweaking of the recovery speed, can pick the targets out the best of the 3 detectors I currently have. The Racer is 2nd best at it...but ONLY if you are digging all signals that come up as non iron, regardless of the ID. It seems to be a lot better in iron than in modern trash. I personally see it as being a better relic machine in iron than being a good coin hunter in modern trash. Just my personal opinion: Some guys are making it sound like its the holy grail of detectors for coin hunting in heavy modern trash and sparking a lot of interest that is going to lead a lot of people to disappointment if that is their intended use. If you are hunting a spot with only isolated trash and deeper targets...I can see where a person might be happy. It will go deep with the stock coil in those type places. But for areas choked full of can slaw, tabs, crown caps, etc...based on my findings, I would see most of the coins being recovered as being clad and less than 4 inches deep if you are listening for that good high tone and looking for those 80 VDI numbers. Your milage may vary.
And it may be 9".I planted this some years ago at 10" but some frost heave seems to have moved it up some. All detectors I tested showed it moved up from original plant depth.
Today at a park I did not get any deep targets with the small coil.. Only 2 to 5" with erratic reads. One memorial at 5" deep. It read mostly 82
I hope all these really deep finds post that have been made are accurate.. All can rest assured I will post accurate finds depth..with both coils..Good bad or indifferent .
I need to get some depth. I don't care which coil gives it, as long as one does the job..
Today at a park I did not get any deep targets with the small coil.. Only 2 to 5" with erratic reads. One memorial at 5" deep. It read mostly 82
I hope all these really deep finds post that have been made are accurate.. All can rest assured I will post accurate finds depth..with both coils..Good bad or indifferent .
I need to get some depth. I don't care which coil gives it, as long as one does the job..
Makro Detector
The success story of Makro Detector, a company holding an important place in the Turkish economy with large numbers of production, export and employment and also its strong competition in global markets, took start in Istanbul beginning of the year 1986.
The activities of Makro Detector include areas such as Civil, Hobby, Military, Ballistic, Technical and Security systems.
Growing with domestic operations during the 2000's, Makro Detector has become the leading brand in Turkey about detectors and detecting technologies.
The most significant might of Makro Detector, producing digital and high definition, deep, real time visual detectors with 3D graphics and hobby detectors which are more and more popular in the World, is its R&D infrastructure. Thanks to its R&D studies, considered the company's assurance for its future and growth and constantly supported with investments, the technological infrastructure of Makro Detector has reached a peak within its area.
Makro Detector avails to its customers, products endowed solely with its own electronic and mechanical design and software as a result of studies it conducts in Turkey as well as in Europe and East Asia.
The innovative approach shaped by R&D investments makes it possible for Makro Detector to have a particular and powerful position in the market.
Makro Detector has produced professional systems capable of deep inquiry, with large color screens, and real time 3D/2D graphics and has introduced these new technologies into the market to become the author of many novelties and firsts in detector production in Turkey.
Conducting its activities under controlled conditions required by the ISO 9001 Quality Management System, Makro Detector is one of the greatest detector producers in Europe with the integrated systems and automation tech it owns.
Makro Detector exports its technology today to more than a hundred countries around the globe amongst which the USA, UK, all EU countries and Japan.
Makro Detector is one of the world's largest producers with its capability in design developing. Today, being the first among Turkey's most known and prestigious brands, Makro Detector leads in its area with products meeting consumer expectations and its quality of service.
The success story of Makro Detector, a company holding an important place in the Turkish economy with large numbers of production, export and employment and also its strong competition in global markets, took start in Istanbul beginning of the year 1986.
The activities of Makro Detector include areas such as Civil, Hobby, Military, Ballistic, Technical and Security systems.
Growing with domestic operations during the 2000's, Makro Detector has become the leading brand in Turkey about detectors and detecting technologies.
The most significant might of Makro Detector, producing digital and high definition, deep, real time visual detectors with 3D graphics and hobby detectors which are more and more popular in the World, is its R&D infrastructure. Thanks to its R&D studies, considered the company's assurance for its future and growth and constantly supported with investments, the technological infrastructure of Makro Detector has reached a peak within its area.
Makro Detector avails to its customers, products endowed solely with its own electronic and mechanical design and software as a result of studies it conducts in Turkey as well as in Europe and East Asia.
The innovative approach shaped by R&D investments makes it possible for Makro Detector to have a particular and powerful position in the market.
Makro Detector has produced professional systems capable of deep inquiry, with large color screens, and real time 3D/2D graphics and has introduced these new technologies into the market to become the author of many novelties and firsts in detector production in Turkey.
Conducting its activities under controlled conditions required by the ISO 9001 Quality Management System, Makro Detector is one of the greatest detector producers in Europe with the integrated systems and automation tech it owns.
Makro Detector exports its technology today to more than a hundred countries around the globe amongst which the USA, UK, all EU countries and Japan.
Makro Detector is one of the world's largest producers with its capability in design developing. Today, being the first among Turkey's most known and prestigious brands, Makro Detector leads in its area with products meeting consumer expectations and its quality of service.
Hopefully will have it put together and ready for upload tomorrow.
I did a few tests on video of the Racer and small coil. Including showing response to a dime I bury on film. 6.5 inches in the ground. 99 sens. Spoiler alert... No signal unless I lower disc to 5 or lower, and when I do, the signal is all iron grunting. I then dig it up on video and show it getting mid 80s out of the ground.
I did a few tests on video of the Racer and small coil. Including showing response to a dime I bury on film. 6.5 inches in the ground. 99 sens. Spoiler alert... No signal unless I lower disc to 5 or lower, and when I do, the signal is all iron grunting. I then dig it up on video and show it getting mid 80s out of the ground.
The reports from many many people on the Racer are they are finding a lot of good targets where they had previously hunted a bunch before. I know my good finds went through the roof with the Nokta/Makro machines. I'm a coin hunter that'll take anything I happen to uncover. I've found that if the correct TID even if blipping amongst several numbers, that more than likely it's a good target there if there is a good blip of an audio report there. I can count on my fingers how many times it hasn't been accurate once I learned the nuances of it. Coin machine, Relic machine, it alerts you better than anything I've ran to investigate a target. Haven't dug hardly any iffies at all. Tried that and dug well, iffies/trash. I'm sure soil or contamination of the dirt has a lot to do with the depth in quite a few of the places I hunt.Not real deep at all, usually under 5-6 inches. But the machines let me know something is there and to investigate it where as I've not hardly been able to do that at all without digging a ton of trash with other machines, or just plain wasn't alerted that something needed to be investigated. Now when I've here lately moved out into undisturbed soil which is what I normally don't hunt, a front yard. I'm getting excellent depth in that soil comparable to my CTX for the type of soil there. Dug a lot of 7-9 inch coins there in the last couple of weeks. That's as deep as the CTX will get too btw in that dirt. The real winner here is the machine alerts you that you need to investigate further better than anything I've ever ran. And usually after a slow walk around the target/suspected target I'll get a confirmation yea or nay. I get a lot of yea's with the machines once alerted.
bubbadirect
Member
great ideas Tom! I'm going to try this in my trashy areas!Tom Slick said:
I was lucky enough to have someone close by with two Racer units. He came down to hunt a camp...stock coil and small coil for both units. In the area that has been hammered we pulled in a two cent pc a 69 cal., some drip and a pin fire cartridge. These were found mixed with iron. We then switched to to the small coil and went to the most trash laden area....maybe 25x45yrd spot. This was my first time with this set up but I must say the best time I've had...I could hear everything and the keepers would come in here and there, nothing deep but still finding keepers.
People avoided this area for a reason....nails and trash in every plug. My buddy related it to machine gun fire. That small coil combined with the racer was a eye opener to me. Between the post from you guys and others along with a new hunting buddy who was whiling to teach....I'm getting one to add to the arsenal. Can see where it can be a great tool in certain areas.
People avoided this area for a reason....nails and trash in every plug. My buddy related it to machine gun fire. That small coil combined with the racer was a eye opener to me. Between the post from you guys and others along with a new hunting buddy who was whiling to teach....I'm getting one to add to the arsenal. Can see where it can be a great tool in certain areas.
Flintstone
Well-known member
] Hi TR, You better hurry up and order, I order mine two weeks ago and was told the next shipment would be in one MO. You might get in on that one. Flintstone
ChuckVT
Active member
I have been hunting since 1968 and I am very impressed with the Racer. I have owned many machines from every manufacturer past and present except for Nautilus and Deus, and the Racer really shines. The recovery speed is terrific, and the depth has been equal or better than my Safari was in my soils. For such a light machine, that is totally amazing. I have yet to put a small coil on it, because the bigger coil's recovery speed is so good!