silver umax discrimate mode question

[donberry]

I am new to this so excuse the questions if they are stupid.
When in the discriminate mode, if I happen to be over a gold ring, what is the usual position of the knob ? Does it show up above a pull tab or is it in that general area ? I understand that it may be somewhere else on the knob, but I would think under most circumstances it will be in same general area.
Also, what about say a silver ring ? Again, is it above the tab or in that general area. Will it show up )usually) as the same as a silver coin ?
Hope u understand what I mean. Just curious as I lost my wedding ring so can;t check it with that and wife is not coughing up hers lol

 

[digitaltim]

Gold can fall in anywhere between iron and max. Most of the time they will fall between foil and tab. Basically, if you're ignoring / discriminating aluminum, you're ignoring most gold. This is true for all detectors.

 

[donberry]

so what I get out of that is dig everything....thanks for the info. Wish the ground was softer around here lol

 

[Anonymous]

Silver usually sounds off better than gold, but dig all of your good sounding, solid tones.

 

[slingshot]

Yeah, if you just lost it-it should give a fairly solid signal. There is no position on the dial or any icon on any machine where a ring could signal. If I had realized 20-30 years ago when I started instead of trusting in discrimination to get rid of trash and somehow miraculously find rings, I could have paid for a lot of metal detectors. Some have even ID'd as iron on some detectors!

 

[Scully]

Set your disc just above iron and each time you get a strong signal, part the grass. Your ring should still be on the surface. If you dont see anything, move on to the next target. Disregard the real faint or weak signals, a surface ring should give a loud and repeatable signal.

 

[BarberBill]

I agree pretty much with what has been posted. One trick I use which allows for differences in the knob settings/icons for discrimination between different machines is to put a nickel on the ground, then swing the coil over it as I adjust the disc. knob. When I find the point that the nickel cracks and pops or drops out completely, I back the knob down a bit until the nickel gives a good, solid signal. This setting should pick up most gold jewelry, nickels etc. and unfortunately some tabs and foil, but still eliminate most small iron and other small trash. Good luck and happy hunting.
BB

 

[slingshot]

That's a good settings for most cases,but if you find a place like a school or park where there is a chance of rings, many of the smaller ones will be missed unless you leave the disc at it's lowest I get $20-$25 apiece for some of these small rings when I sell them.

 

[Michigan Badger]

I am new to this so excuse the questions if they are stupid.
When in the discriminate mode, if I happen to be over a gold ring, what is the usual position of the knob ? Does it show up above a pull tab or is it in that general area ? I understand that it may be somewhere else on the knob, but I would think under most circumstances it will be in same general area.
Also, what about say a silver ring ? Again, is it above the tab or in that general area. Will it show up )usually) as the same as a silver coin ?
Hope u understand what I mean. Just curious as I lost my wedding ring so can;t check it with that and wife is not coughing up hers lol

Rings can fall most anywhere on that discrimination knob.

A quality silver ring will sound much like a silver dime. It will sound off at almost full discrimination.

Gold is usually like nickels. If you discriminate out nickels you lose most gold including gold coins.

I usually hunt with the discrimination knob on the O in FOIL. I dig any good signal that sounds off in at least 1 direction.

One thing to remember is very deep rings and coins can sound like trash tin or even iron. This is one reason why I'm so glad some people use those tone and meter detectors. They leave a lot of goodies for me to find.

Probably more great finds are missed due to people trusting meters and tones than any other reasons.

Badger

 

[Neil]

meters and tones are an excellent tool for metal detecting and its always the users option to use or not use them. some are extremely accurate even at depth.
dont kid yourself, we all leave stuff behind no matter what type detector your using.
found this with a tone detector in a place most detectors wont work at all

HH
Neil

 

[Michigan Badger]

Nice, what machine were you using?

 

[tabdog]

I agree to a point. It may help to find large gold.

But I sold 90 grams of gold. Most of it was so small
that any meter would have been usless.

A small irregular shaped gold object will fool any
meter, especially with any depth involved.

I'm talking about readings lower than iron. Just bairly
decernable with a good all metal mode.

Everyone thinks that's too much trouble. But that
90 grams of small gold jewelry got me a check for
$1,290. I kept the nice peices.

And I am getting more all the time. I just restarted
MDing about a year ago.

Wasn't too much trouble for me.

Happy Hunting,

 

[Neil]

Tabdog I jewelry hunt also. With a meter you can do several things. One is hunt with no disc, accepting all metals. another is isolate a range that you want to dig in. I usually dig between copper penny and just above small iron. This is because the highest reading piece of jewelry Ive found over the years(and I used to dig everything) is a large mans 22carat wedding band. It reads right up at zinc penny/copper penny line. and since most beaches dont have a load of targets grouped next to each other readings are usually very accurate and I dont have to bother digging quarters or dimes and can spend more time looking for gold. Now on the low end, please do me a favor and post of pic of some gold youve found that reads below iron as I didnt even think this was possible. I thought iron was at the lowest end of the conductivity scale. even tiny gold earrings and charms read above small iron like bread ties and snow fencing bits so Id like to see what your talking about here. and yes silver jewelry can end up in the quarter/dime range if its the right size such as a nice ring but alot of them fall below also. depends on what your after. so you can tailor your hunting a bit better and if you dont want to, just ignore the meter and you can hunt like you dont have one. so its more versatile haveing one I think. Lets see what you think after a few more years digging

HH
Neil

 

[Neil]

sovereign in the wet sand at the ocean, down near low tide line. weighs 55.5 grams and the diamonds are good. probably should have gotten rid of it when gold topped a grand but still havent sold off any gold off yet.
I just picked up a cibola on a trade and am going to give that a shot at the beach for a while.

HH
Neil

 

[tabdog]

Hay Neil,

You asked:

Now on the low end, please do me a favor and post of pic of some gold youve found that reads
below iron as I didnt even think this was possible. I thought iron was at the lowest end of the
conductivity scale. even tiny gold earrings and charms read above small iron like bread ties
and snow fencing bits so Id like to see what your talking about here.

Maybe I could used better words to say it, but if you turn the discrimination all the way down
and you can not pick up an object, but it can be picked up by the all metal mode, is that not
lower than iron.

There are a lot of things that are a lower conductor than iron. The ground is conductive. It is
usually always a lower conductor than iron.

The metal detector is not conforming to our notion that a metal detector can ID metals. It only
responds to changes in signals.

It is not the material we are talking about. It is response.

If you want your metal detector to respond to something lower than iron, try turning your manual
ground balance too high and the ground will come alive and respond.

I just do what your MD does, but I do it analog style. I been back at MDing for about one year.

I just got out of a month's stay in the hospital last month. I couldn't bend over 3 times without
falling out. But I have managed to get back in the swing a little.

Most of this stuff was found in less than 6 months.

Here's what I was doing before I got sick.

That's a lot of what I've done in the last year.

Here's a demo video of my $70 Compadre I call Speedy.

http://s220.photobucket.com/albums/dd296/dcb1265/?action=view&current=MOV05367.flv

Happy Hunting,

Tabdog

 

[tabdog]

Boy, you beach hunters come up with the neatest jewelry finds.

Us land locked Arkies don't get much beaches to hunt.

Thanks for sharing,

 

[Gunnar of bradford MN]

DO this my freind, borow a small gold ring , bury it at 4" and start whith the disc as high as it will go then start backing it down until you get a good signall on the small gold ring ,, now also bury a nail and put the disc all the way back so you get a good signal on the nail then move the disc up untill you hear a somwhat broken signal on the nail but a good signal on the small gold ring and thats whear you shoul keep it unless you are looking just for silver coins you can have lots of disc and still find a silver coin but the more disc the greater are your chances of masking hope this helps i found on my compadre that if i set the disc to the F in foil i lost the small gold ring so i hunt at the N in iron

 

[Neil]

tabdog I think we got a little off topic here. I was replying to badgers comment about meters and tones. Im still a little confused as to what gold youve found that is below a small iron reading.
I did watch your video on the compadre. my nephew has one of those. nice light machine. Ive seen mods on those where people put the coin check button on them, kinda like the Shadow X2 to assist in digging less trash. anytime you can narrow the field down to what your looking for you should be more successful. now relic hunters I would guess wouldnt go by this creed, but a coin hunter sure would as would a seasoned beach hunter. some certainly do dig it all above small iron, but alot dont as well. all Im saying is meters and tones or anything like that can be a great aid in detecting. nothing against a non metered unit, just you have more versatility with something that aids in your hunt.

Neil