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broevol

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I am heading back tonight to someplace that should produce some deep (1860 to current) silver. I have picked out silver 1920s and up around 5" deep. I know my V3i can go deep, the only problem is with the EMI I can only run my pre-amp around 8 with disc and all-metal in the low 70s. I use the High-pro program. Are there any other tweaks or secrets to help me get deeper, yet keep it stable? I only have the D2 coil to use. Is one frequency better than others for EMI? I am really only interested in finding silver or wheaties/IH.

Thanks,
Darin
 
One of these should work.

Reducing the Effects of EMI
Smaller coils will help reduce EMI, all the following were performed and validated using the 10"DD coil.

Using Ground Filter and Frequency Offset
1. Hold the unit waist high
2. Go to pinpoint (AM) mode
3. Observe the noise level
4. Select Transmit Frequency from the Live Control
5. Select the Frequency Offset that gives you the quietest operation
6. Select Ground Filter from the Live Control
7. Select the filter that gives you the quietest operation
8. Return to Search mode.

You may still notice some noise. This could be that while quieting one frequency, you may have made another frequency nosier. So, repeat the process in search mode to see if you can improve performance. Since you are generally hunting in the Search Mode, it seems best to do this "touch up" after you've been thru steps 1 - 8.

Using Salt Compensate Mode.
If you can't get the Normal 3 Freq mode quiet, try the Salt Comp 3 Freq mode. Salt Comp employs a salt subtraction algorithm and is inherently quieter, but you give up a bit of depth. However, you can easily get this back by bumping up RXG. Select Ground Filter from the Live Control

Using a Single Frequency Mode
If you can't find a combination of settings that removes enough EMI in any of the 3 Freq modes, you may want to try a Single Frequency mode. Most EMI generally comes thru the 2.5 KHz frequency. The 22.5 KHz frequency sees smaller targets best but still hits well on gold and all the coins and coin-sized targets. Ground filters and Frequency offset options are still available to further optimize performance in the Single Frequency mode.

Correlate mode
The theory behind correlate is that iron will respond with different phase angles for the different frequencies whereas coins and such will give the correct response across the frequency ranges. So, it is one way to discriminate out iron. The drawback is that potentially you lose depth because the ground affects how the targets come in so they will appear to have the phase difference like iron might and get discriminated out. But, EMI noise would theoretically have an unpredictable response across the frequencies and might be one way to remove EMI too. So, for those that don't want to hunt the deep targets might get an advantage for skipping over the iron targets using correlate. But for those that want deeper, I don't think correlate would be a good option.

Using TXB In Conjunction With RXG
If Ground Filters, Frequency Offset and / or Salt Comp Mode, by themselves or in combination won't eliminate enough EMI to facilitate a successful hunt, or you wish to remain in a 3 Freq mode, try the following:
1. Drop RXG until the EMI effect is negated
2. Turn TXB = ON.
Since the transmitted frequency has nothing to do with EMI signal strength, this technique will improve the target signal return w/o increasing the EMI effect. This technique can be employed in conjunction with any of the previously discussed processes, in 3 Freq Normal, Salt Comp or Single Frequency modes.

1)Switch to a band pass filter as the band pass filters will filter out more noise than the high pass filters
2) Try different frequency offsets
3) Try the various single frequencies
4) Lower disc sensitivity
5) Try correlate mode rather than best data (if in 3 frequency mode).
6) Switching to Salt Compensate helps with EMI if you want to work in 3F mode.
7) Change coils (concentric)
:geek: Try wired headphones
 
Rob (IL) said:
One of these should work.

Reducing the Effects of EMI
Smaller coils will help reduce EMI, all the following were performed and validated using the 10"DD coil.

Using Ground Filter and Frequency Offset
1. Hold the unit waist high
2. Go to pinpoint (AM) mode
3. Observe the noise level
4. Select Transmit Frequency from the Live Control
5. Select the Frequency Offset that gives you the quietest operation
6. Select Ground Filter from the Live Control
7. Select the filter that gives you the quietest operation
8. Return to Search mode.

You may still notice some noise. This could be that while quieting one frequency, you may have made another frequency nosier. So, repeat the process in search mode to see if you can improve performance. Since you are generally hunting in the Search Mode, it seems best to do this "touch up" after you've been thru steps 1 - 8.

Using Salt Compensate Mode.
If you can't get the Normal 3 Freq mode quiet, try the Salt Comp 3 Freq mode. Salt Comp employs a salt subtraction algorithm and is inherently quieter, but you give up a bit of depth. However, you can easily get this back by bumping up RXG4. Select Ground Filter from the Live Control

Using a Single Frequency Mode
If you can't find a combination of settings that removes enough EMI in any of the 3 Freq modes, you may want to try a Single Frequency mode. Most EMI generally comes thru the 2.5 KHz frequency. The 22.5 KHz frequency sees smaller targets best but still hits well on gold and all the coins and coin-sized targets. Ground filters and Frequency offset options are still available to further optimize performance in the Single Frequency mode.

Correlate mode
The theory behind correlate is that iron will respond with different phase angles for the different frequencies whereas coins and such will give the correct response across the frequency ranges. So, it is one way to discriminate out iron. The drawback is that potentially you lose depth because the ground affects how the targets come in so they will appear to have the phase difference like iron might and get discriminated out. But, EMI noise would theoretically have an unpredictable response across the frequencies and might be one way to remove EMI too. So, for those that don't want to hunt the deep targets might get an advantage for skipping over the iron targets using correlate. But for those that want deeper, I don't think correlate would be a good option.

Using TXB In Conjunction With RXG
If Ground Filters, Frequency Offset and / or Salt Comp Mode, by themselves or in combination won't eliminate enough EMI to facilitate a successful hunt, or you wish to remain in a 3 Freq mode, try the following:
1. Drop RXG until the EMI effect is negated
2. Turn TXB = ON.
Since the transmitted frequency has nothing to do with EMI signal strength, this technique will improve the target signal return w/o increasing the EMI effect. This technique can be employed in conjunction with any of the previously discussed processes, in 3 Freq Normal, Salt Comp or Single Frequency modes.

1)Switch to a band pass filter as the band pass filters will filter out more noise than the high pass filters
2) Try different frequency offsets
3) Try the various single frequencies
4) Lower disc sensitivity
5) Try correlate mode rather than best data (if in 3 frequency mode).
6) Switching to Salt Compensate helps with EMI if you want to work in 3F mode.
7) Change coils (concentric)
:geek: Try wired headphones

Excellent explanation....very informative....thanks for postin'.....think that info will help lotsa folks!!
 
Great stuff Rob... Please post this in your links page for future references and posterity.......
This info is too valuable to lose.
 
I would just go to a different coil besides the D2 if Freq offset changes failed, and a bump-up of the filter selection didn't fix it. All the rest of that advice just opens Pandora's Box Of Confusion for average ot new V3i users. The basic coil change saves lots of stress in most cases.

But, you did say that all you have is the D2. I would go directly to the freq offset and filter changes, in that order. martin
 
Actually lowering the gain option and then turning on boost has worked wonders for me. I found a silver 3 pence 1889 where EMI was terrible.

These are all the options, see what works for you.
 
That was one great answer Rob! I'd become a little forgetful and have not been using Correlate (where I know it would have helped).
 
Great information, but it makes me a little intimidated thinking of a V3I vs my MXT
 
I suggested this to White's way back in the beginning when it became obvious EMI would be an issue in some locations. The Bigfoot coil is by its nature an anti interference coil and eliminates the problem almost entirely. It however suffers for depth and is no longer available at a reasonable price. Anti interference coils are not perfect, but I would buy one in a heartbeat for the V3i to enable it to work in areas where otherwise you have to just walk away.
 
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