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Sensitivity signal loss, ground plot signal loss question

nalc472

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Group,

What is the acceptable loss of signal under Sensitivity. Noise level numbers? Also what should I keep my signal loss on ground nploting? Should the 3 e signal loss be under ground ploting? Should it be around 1 percent? I want to crank up RX and tx boost as much as I can to get maximuthm depth.
 
Have you read the links at the top of the forum?

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?66,2042417
 
rob,

Ground probe I am still not sure of the ideal ranges for phase and strength. My vdi ranges froom -91 to -93. what should I use for fillter? Also what are the ideal ranges for the following

Phase *no idea what these should range on 3 freqs)


Strength (try to keep it at 1-2 on 3 freqs)

This is the only thing I still do not fully understand. Already read your link.

kurt
 
Ground Probe

[size=large]The ground probe is just another tool.[/size] (not rocket science)

Many people do great and never use it. As I remember Larry doesn't use it and does great. Experienced detectorists can make these conclusions without the probe.

It is used to help tell the type of soil you are hunting in. This [size=large]can help[/size] make a choice of gains, frequency, filter, or coil. Different filters and types of coil work better in low mineralization while some work better in higher mineralization. In low mineralization you can run higher gains.

The right side of the screen reports the phase and strength of the residual signal, and does so for each individual frequency. This is useful for analyzing the characteristics of the ground, but only if the residual signal consists purely of ground signal. This will be true if (1) we can get rid of other residual signals like an imperfect loop null, and (2) if we put the loop over target-free ground. To get rid of any residual loop null signal, hold the loop in the air and away from metal, TAB to select the Zero button, and press ENTER. Ground Probe is now zeroed and you should see the Strength numbers go to 0% and the phase numbers jump around a lot. Now you can lower the loop to the ground, careful to avoid targets, and the Phase and Strength numbers will be that of the ground.

"PHASE ANGLE" is the measured difference between the transmitted signal and the signal received from the target. Different materials have different characteristics (resistivity, reflectivity, conductivity, density, etc) which affect the signal that is returned from that specific target. It is this difference between the transmitted and returned signal (phase angle) that is measured. The VDI reading at the top of the screen is converted from the phase into VDI units like you'd see for normal targets such as (VDI = 19 = a nickel.

The detector only reports VDIs converted from positive phase angles (0 to 180 degrees). The negative angles aren't valid. In the ground probe screen, you may see negative angles if you are holding the coil in the air so there is no real signal coming in, just noise, or you haven't zeroed it yet. When you zero the detector, it removes the system and coil offsets and enables the user to achieve a more accurate reading of the ground. Once you zero the machine and lower it to the ground your phase angles should come in between 0 and 180 degrees.
A ferrite bead will come in very close to 180 degrees (-95 VDI). Most ground that we see is 178 degrees (-94 VDI) to 165 degrees. Salt water, wet beach or fields with lots of fertilizer come in close to 90 degrees (0 VDI).

The VDI reading is converted from the ground phase normalized to standard VDI units. It's either going to be from the strongest signal if the detector is running best data, or the average of the two strongest signals if correlate is selected.

The phase tells you composition (between purely ferrous and purely salt), while the signal strength tells you the concentration (more mineralized). If you have ground coming in at -94(VDI) with a signal strength of 2% and another ground coming in at -91 with a signal strength of 7%, it would seem that the ground coming in at -91 is more mineralized even though it is a less negative number. A signal strength of the ground as follows 0 to 10% weak, 10% to 20% Moderate and 20% and up to be strong. The lower the mineralization, the slower one should sweep - which may mean a lower filter and concentric coil could be selected.

The reason there are no specfic numbers is because it is a guide and everyone's soil is different (VA. vs Florida). Just because someone can find 10" deep dimes doesn't mean I can in my soil. I run my V3i hot so I have to expect some noise. Too noisey and you can miss the deep quite signals. I can't tell you how hot or stable to run your detector. It is all experience.

That's all I have. :smoke:
 
The ground probe and sensitivity probes are useless tools to me. I know what they do but to this day, I have never used them in a hunting environment. Neither one helps me get more depth, they are just more information............ :shrug: Every other detector on the market does not have them and they do just fine without them. If you want to understand the science of metal detecting, more information like that is fine, but they don't make me (or you) a better hunter. IMHO Setting your RX Gain and Disc Sensitivity as high as you can and maintain stability is about as good as you can expect. Start with a factory program like Hi Pro, go out and have fun. Learn one adjustment at a time and see if it hurts or help you. The biggest mistake you can make is making several adjustments at a time, if something goes wrong, you don't know which one to fix.

TX boost, in most cases, does not increase your depth as many think. The best use for Boost to reduce EMI by increasing your transmit power and reducing RX Gain since most EMI comes into the detector through the receiver circuit. Use this method if all other ways to reduce EMI fails you, like frequency offset, etc. Boost may add depth in very low mineralized ground like white sand beaches but if you can not hunt at RX15, I don't think Boost will help you much, if at all........... more power does not always mean more depth. If you want more depth and your ground allows it, you are better off getting a larger coil.

The best way to select what filter to use is by finding a deep target and try different filters and swing speeds to see what works best in your ground. What filter works best for you depends on your mineralization, EMI and swing speed............ that is why there is no formula to tell you what is best for YOU in your ground and swing speed.
 
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