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Seeing in 3D

Or should it be 3F?

Been out using the Vision. Just a couple notes.

When in the search screen (the bar graph) you get a hit in all three frequencies. They fade in order - weakest frequency first, middling second, and strongest last. So you can tell which frequency is hitting hardest just by looking at the fade rate of the bars.

When you go to pinpoint this gets backed up. Three colored signal strength bars, each indicating which frequency is hitting hardest.

Analyze gives similar frequency indications plus sizing.

You are getting more target info at a glance then ever before. Two different items can give you the same VDI numbers. A beer bottle cap can sound like a coin and give a similar VDI. But the coin will hit harder in 2.5 kHz, and the bottle cap in 22.5 kHz. Same deal with the deep nail that sounds like a coin. The coin will hit harder at the lower frequencies, the nail at the higher.

I was hunting snow dumps with the Vision, and there were lots of pop cans in the snow piles. I'm hunting smaller targets (hopefully gold but usually aluminum) and the deep cans sound and VDI just like the smaller shallower items I am after. But the sizing function nailed them dead on as over-sized, even at depth.

I think the ability to see in real time the exact response in three different frequencies is going to be the Vision's ace in the hole. Used to be just a VDI number, Now it is a combination of VDI, frequency reponse, and size. The jury is out on the depth thing but in my opinion this is the finest discrimination system yet devised for a metal detector.

Do remember that no system is perfect. Signals will degrade with depth and the amount of ground mineralization. How fast you sweep the target and how centered you are will have an effect. You do have to "work" the target just like with any other detector.

But I do see now why they called it the Vision. It's an eye-opener for sure.

Steve Herschbach

P.S. My Bigfoot is working great on the Vision. Jimmy needs to get it back into production ASAP. Then if somebody asked me why they should get a Vision instead of this or that I'd say " because it can run a Bigfoot"!
 
Hi Steve, Curious about what VDI your getting on nickels with Bigfoot, Mine hits nickels at about 58. With stock coil the VDI is normally about 19 (w/ DFX about21).
I also air tested several very small gold rings, less than .5 gram w/Bigfoot, VDI was normal(?) between 4&15 with surprisingly good range (in air) 4-6"+. Happy with Vision so far.... except can't use my Polaroid glasses.
GOOD DAY Dave
 
evildave said:
Happy with Vision so far.... except can't use my Polaroid glasses.
GOOD DAY Dave

Dave, Not all Polaroid glasses cause problems. I have a pair made by Smith that work fine. The better quality glasses have the lenses rotated to an angle that works.
 
Hi Dave,

Yup, my Bigfoot is also hitting a nickel at 58 in three freq mode. But look at the graph. In 2.5 kHz it is hitting at 15, in 7.5 kHz it hits at 18, and in 22.5 kHz it hits at 62. The Bigfoot is skewing the VDI on high conductive targets higher. If you went to 7.5 kHz mode only you'll get closer to truer numbers.

Steve Herschbach
 
Hi Tom,

Got one of those too. I like it a bit better actually as the Bigfoot has a soft spot in the middle where the figure 8 design crosses over. The Cleansweep is a DD coil so has even response along it's length.

Steve Herschbach
 
steve herschbach said:
Hi Tom,

Got one of those too. I like it a bit better actually as the Bigfoot has a soft spot in the middle where the figure 8 design crosses over. The Cleansweep is a DD coil so has even response along it's length.

Steve Herschbach

So if Jimmy goes back into production with the Bigfoot, would you like to see a DD variation on it? We could call it the Sasquatch :)

sasquatch_coil.jpg
 
lol.. so if you ran into that in the woods would you...

A) run like hell

B) Run like hell and get your camera

C) Ask what he found

D) All the above
 
Ha!

Great picture Brett!!

I'd vote DD as it would work better on the MXT and M6, which suffer from reversed signals front to rear with the Bigfoot. Would not be an issue with a DD coil.

Steve Herschbach
 
I think the BigFOOT coil is "DD":starwars:


Jerry
 
xGregx said:
lol.. so if you ran into that in the woods would you...
A) run like hell
B) Run like hell and get your camera
C) Ask what he found
D) All the above

I would definite first crap my pants, then ask the standard, "finding anything good?" ...and then probably give it a second or two and run like hell!
 
Well, if he is intelligent enough to be hunting with a Whites, he wont be dangerous.

Share your coffee with him and he might tell you about some new virgin sites...
 
Hi Jerry,

Nope, figure 8 anti-interference configuration. Rather rare. The coil cossover in the middle is why the Bigfoot has a weak signal mid-way. It is also why the signal reverses front to rear with the MXT and M6. The DFX specifically corrected for the Bigfoot, as does the Vision. Also is why the DFX and Vision are able to use only the front half while pinpointing.

Steve Herschbach
 
a. Stomp hard on his big foot with my boot
b. Give him some flame from my lighter
c. Stuff his yapper with the plug I removed from the soil
d. Check his eyeballs with the tip of the Lesche digger
e. Take and tear up his fake detecting club membership card
f. Eat the bag of Jack Links Jerky without sharing
 
Brett that's a good one...........Sell the Sasquatch Coil on Ebay and get $800 bucks for it!..........Some ebayer will buy it
 
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