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Se pro to etrac- etrac to 3030?

Joe Diggerall

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Got the se pro a few years ago and cleaned up in places I had hunted with other detectors.
Got to reading the etrac forum and decided to get one.
Went back to places I'd hunted with the pro hoping to find even more. Didn't really happen.
Switched back to the pro for awhile then switched back to etrac. It appeared my silver count was about equal with which ever minelab I'd use.
Now lately been reading the 3030 forum and thinking about getting one. The thought crossed me"fool me once........"

Some questions.

Have any of you that have hunted a site for at least a year with the pro or etrac, gotten a 3030 and went back over these hard hunted sites and found more than a couple of silver?

I've dug 10 and 11' silver with the pro and etrac both using stock coils, would the 3030 do the same?

The garret AT pro is a fast machine, have any of you ran an AT pro and compared it to the 3030?
 
I am using the 3030 for relics in a hunted site. Never owned an etrac but like the 3030, deeper than my explorer xs. Can run higher sens. as well. My deepest targets have been 2 measured civil war.bullets here 14". They were in bottom of hole with pinpointer. Can run manual 28-30 where EMI makes an F75 unusable. Only 5 hunts but impressed and I have only scratched the surface of potential of the 3030.
 
Joe Diggerall said:
Now lately been reading the 3030 forum and thinking about getting one. The thought crossed me"fool me once........"

Have any of you that have hunted a site for at least a year with the pro or etrac, gotten a 3030 and went back over these hard hunted sites and found more than a couple of silver?

I've dug 10 and 11' silver with the pro and etrac both using stock coils, would the 3030 do the same?

The garret AT pro is a fast machine, have any of you ran an AT pro and compared it to the 3030?

I have been hunting many of the same sites for the past 25 - 30 years. I've hunted them with just about every detector manufactured, including several Explorers, the E-TRAC and more recently the CTX 3030. I can say without reservation that the CTX 3030 will hunt as deep or deeper than either of the FBS detectors, when using stock coils. And the target separation of the CTX is unmatched by the Explorer or E-TRAC. These aren't wild claims on my part. These are "head to head" comparisons I made while Field Testing the CTX and "real hunting" with it since. If you go back through the brief 5 months of CTX posts, you'll find hundreds of posts from folks that have found coins with their CTX in places they had hunted with their Explorer and/or E-TRAC. Some were due to target masking and others due to depth of detection. I don't know how many of them actually had both detectors and made comparisons at the time, like I have, but their results are the same. Regardless of what comparisons you've read elsewhere, the CTX 3030 is a coin killer with the capability to find coins in places you thought had been hunted to death. But don't assume, since it is a multiple frequency Minelab, that it is just an E-TRAC with extra features. The technology behind the implementation of the smart coil in FBS2 has made the CTX capable of operating with more sensitivity while maintaining stability than previous FBS units.

I understand the "fool me once" statement. We've all been down that road at one time or another. Some of us more than once. To be blunt......even if depth was the same..... if you don't think you would benefit from being able to spend more time in the field by using a near perfectly balanced detector, if you never hunt in areas where there might be trash buried in the same hole as a coin, if you never wanted to adjust the ferrous and conductive "lines" to fine tune your discrimination levels, if you don't think you'd use Combined audio that allows you to hear both Ferrous and Conductive tones, if you never thought about assigning your choice of audio tones to the "bins", if you don't think actually seeing more than one target under the coil at the same time would be beneficial, if you can't imagine freeing yourself from the headphone connected to the detector by having wireless headphone capabilities, if you don't worry about getting your detector wet if you take it to the beach or if it starts sprinkling during your hunt, if you don't wonder whether or not you've "covered the area" and could benefit from using GPS and Mapping, if it doesnt' matter that you can update your CTX online for free, as updates become available, ... if none of these matter, depending on the sites you hunt, the amount of time you spend detecting and how serious you are about truly "beating a site to death" it could be tough to justify investing more money into this hobby.

A friend of mine has an AT Pro that I could use. Therefore, I've never felt compelled to buy one. Granted, it is a fast detector. But it don't compare to the CTX 3030 in discrimination capabilities, Target ID, adjacent target separation or depth of detection. JMHO HH Randy
 
How much better is the CTX in high EMI environments? I'm wondering if having some of the electronics in the coil is to counter EMI? I'm still using my original XS and have found over the years I get a lot more older coins out in the boonies where I can crank up the sensitivity in manual. Generally city hunting means power lines close and even in older sites usually don't get as many older coins except in construction zones. Did you do some head to head tests?

Chris
 
I myself just stepped from the etrac to the ctx3030. After you get over the sticker shock,I feel that when I go out to hunt I have the best piece of detecting equipment on the market. Its all up to me to learn the detector and what it is telling me. I love to hunt hunted out sites. Loved my etrac and I know I will love the 3030. Only one hunt with it so far and came up with silver. The settings are great. You can sit in front of the computer and adjust then down load. My two cents worth. Good luck as they are both great machines, my two cents worth. JOHN
 
Your analysis of the smart coil design is spot on. When you consider the coil and cable serve as an antennae for interference, having a microchip in the coil, "talking to" the control housing over a fully digital communication link (coil cable), is a big step toward eliminating EMI. I attribute a portion of the CTX 3030's ability to run with a higher level of sensitivity without falsing (compared to the E-TRAC) to this smart coil technology. HH Randy
 
Hi Joe,
Some of the other answers are right on; but let's face it, sooner or later a site will be hunted out, or just not worth the time, however you choose to define it.
And as good as the CTX is, the E-Trac is,EXP SE is, they are not going to put coins in the ground.
As I understand it, the CTX isn't necessarily a deeper detecting machine than the E-Trac; but rather it was designed to have the capability to differentiate and identify targets quicker and more accurately than it's predecessors.
If you follow the posts, you will note how many times coins have been dug IN CONJUNCTION WITH nails or other iron.
This is where these machines are pulling good targets from "hunted out" sites; where the targets have been masked to other machines by the proximity of iron junk.
Regarding cost.... well if you are not going to get out there and use it , it will be an expensive door prop.
And if the high NIB cost is intimidating, just wait a awhile; someone will be unloading a slightly used rig on Epay.
Either they don't like it, or their car needs work, or whatever.
There's been some good deals on CTX's already. I missed one for about $1200.00
Still expensive, but better than $2400 !!
Just my 2 cents worth...
 
I used the SE Pro for 3 years and knew there were deeper coins I was missing because a lot of what I found was right on the edge of the SE Pro's ability. Iffy's. I got the E-Trac hoping it would give me the depth I needed for those deep ones. It really didn't give me much more depth, but it did send me home each trip with more coins. I used the E-Trac for 4 years before getting the CTX 3030 hoping it would give me the depth. Just like the E-Trac it didn't really give me much more depth but I do go home with more coins then ever before.
 
I never thought I would ever sell my SE Pro but I did and glad that I made the move to the CTX. I have not made any depth comparisons but I think I am getting a little more depth and cleaner signals at depth with better ID as well. What is more important to me is better balance, waterproof for the occasional water hunt and the XChange 2 program for easy editing. For some it is the GPS that has proved worth the added expense but I have no use for that.......... at least not yet.

Whether the move is worth it to you.........:shrug:
 
I think if you combine the ability to separate trash targets quicker and more accurately you can cover a "Hunted-Out" site more efficiently and over a larger area than the FBS predecessors.
That may be it's niche, other than the ability to wade into shallow water or snorkel the shoreline of aluminum and iron littered areas of the "Old-Swimming Holes."
I am sure you can pull a keeper or two from this methodology, and probably much more from the latter as there has to be alot of old coins still in the water.
So, it all comes down to the fact ...."What is it worth to you?" on a personal level.
I would love to try one out, maybe one will come up on auction a bit cheaper like DirtyDeeds expressed, but for me personally it is out my means.
So in the meantime I will read all your posts here and salivate. :drool: :biggrin:
 
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