:sad:About ready to give up!

[bigolhorns]

I have used several brand X detectors since 85'.I Read all the good stuff about Tesoro and bought a used Tejon. Took it out and thought, there must be something wrong with this. So I bought a brand new one, it's worse!
So I bought a 575 coil, still not good.
Constant noise and chatter,circuit noise while trying to discriminate,hard to get a steady threshold. I now find large quantities of screw caps and bottle caps,more in 4 weeks than I found in thirteen years with other detectors.These have good solid tones!No coins deeper than 4". The Tejon is tiring to try and use,not enjoyable. I'm not a newbie I know how to ground balance and I understand sensitivity. I'm really trying to like either one of the two Tejon's I now own but... they are on there way to the closet. I'm in the Willamette valley of Oregon = difficult ground. Help please,what am I doing wrong!

 

[rentasquid]

Dont know what to say. I had one that I used, here in Springfield, and it didnt do too bad. I ended up trading it off, but I cant say that it was a bad detector though. I dont think that I have dug many coins deeper than 6" with any detector that I have had.
Dont try getting a completely steady tone with the threshold, because it always has a oscillation to it. And it is fairly chattery if you have the sens. turned up high. I never ran it high, but then you get that thought that perhaps its not high enough, and I'm missing stuff. I ended up trading mine for an old Pantera and some coils. I liked the Pantera, but it was a lot heavier, and the Tejon was definately was a deeper seeker. I think this is where the Vaquero would come in. I havent used one, but I understand that it is a toned down Tejon. Has some of the nice qualities of the older Tesoros, with a "Hotter" circuitry of the new line of detectors.

J.

 

[DavHut]

in mineralized ground, you have issues, mostly with GB and SENS.

But first, the THRESH. It WILL oscillate at the proper audio point, a little whiny sort of warble. It seems to be normal, so dont sweat it.

Next, be sure you are GB'ing correctly - if you want, I got ahold someones procedure for the Tejon that may help. Let me know if you want it - that goes for any of you.

Once you have all these other things right, I suspect that SENS is your problem. Plainly put, turn it down till the chattering stops. You wont miss much, as the gain (SENS) works differently than many think. It increases the front end receive circuits' amplification, and doesn't really affect "depth," per se. Youve been around a long time, so we dont need to go into it, but all you really need to do is recall the old "headlights in the fog" analogy.

As for the "Caps," well they are there, you cant change that.
The Tejon, while refined, is also a basic dual-discriminator with no VID - - essentially what the old 1266X was. These detectors can be easily fooled by targets like bottlecaps and screwcaps and really are better considered as enhanced "beep and dig" units.

If the "cap twins" are what bothers you most, then I suggest that you are hunting in trashy sites like parks, schools and so on. All the trash and itsy bits in the soil, when coupled with your infamous mineralization wreaks havoc with something as highstrung as a wound out Tejon, and so you have to turn down the gain.

If you lose faith withthe tejon, it is easy to sell and you may want to consider something like one of the new Garretts or Whites with AutoTrack ground balance.

 

[bigolhorns]

I have been using a Whites Spectrum since 93'. Also Compass X-200 and Coin Scanner Pro. I had visions of the Tejon going in where I've been detecting and finding all the "good stuff" the Whites and Compass machines missed.Seems that all I missed was junk I didn't even know was there! The X-200 is bunches deeper than the Tejon and no chatter, but man is it heavy! Also it was built in the town I live and hunt in. When it was new I had Compass set it up to use in this ground.

 

[Mike T]

I live in Salem Or., and have used alot of different detectors also and when I heard about the Cibola I gave it a try. Just medeocre, nothing to write home about so I sold it and use a CZ6 and XL PRO which get about 1 1/2 times more depth and give a VID.

 

[SkiWhiz]

What a coincidense I just traded in a Fisher CZ-6a for a Tesoro Cibola and it was the best thing I ever did. Way lighter and no chattering all the time, just as deep seeking or deeper. I am no pro but no newbie, been detecting for 15+ years and have used several different brands and models. As for White's - they are great detectors, I have a Classic III that I would hate to part with. I have nothing against Fisher but the CZ-6a didn't do it for me. I bought the CZ for $200.00 and got $350.00 trade in value for it from a dealer, so I decided on the Cibola, almost went with the Minelab Xterra 30 but glad I didn't. I am in northern New York and our ground has no mineral problems like some places I have read about. What ever brand/model you have, if your having fun that is all that counts. Thanks! Steve.

 

[DavHut]

Sounds like youve solved you own problem. Get on back to the Whites camp and head back to the field.

 

[bigolhorns]

Oh,I also have a Cibola and Vaquero. They are fine and do what they should. It's just they Tejon that I can't seem to get.

 

[rentasquid]

to just have fun! I can feel for BOHs because I have had detectors that I didnt have fun with. If Whites and Fisher is what you do good with, then stick with them. One thing that did bug me a little, when the testing went on with the Tejon, is that it was in areas of milder ground. Why not send one to Monte, and get it tuned to work here in the NW. Like they say with New York, if you can make it here, you can make it anywhere. Oh well. I hope, Bigolhorns, that you find that perfect detector for you!

J.

 

[rentasquid]

n/t

 

[Robby41]

It's all simply about your mineralization. Ironized soil is a
metal detector killer--always has been, always will be. Makes it
very hard to set a proper ground balance with ANY detector. I really
think you need a Lobo ST, though.
..R

 

[JHM]

I have a Vaquero and it's quiet, but it's a silent search disc detector. Only has a thereshold in all metal. Deepest I've dug was about 6 inches but I'm thinking it's deeper. Haven't used it that much. I assume you've got some BAD dirt out there. I've been in your situation before. I would put it in the closet for a couple of weeks then try again after you've had a break. Also I read somewhere that sensitivity is the most misadjusted control on most detectors. Odds are it's too high. Turn it down by two thirds and dig the shallow stuff but more important learn the machine by listeng for the good faint signals. Then increase it as you learn the machine. The Tejon has got to have potential too many people have had sucess with it. But it also appears to be the hardest to learn. You've took a BIG bite of the apple right off the bat and it's going to take a while to chew it.

 

[bigolhorns]

I don't think it's an issue with sensitivity on the Tejon. I know when it's running too high. Seems the Tejon's discrimination circuits do not totally eliminate a response.Every piece of junk in the ground will give some sort "snap,crackle,pop".This gets tiring!
I use a small gold ring to s/u the discrimination on all of my detectors. So I hunt just eliminating foil.
What are your thoughts? Am I way off base?
I really want to like this detector! I'm on may way out to try it again. I'll be taking my Vaquero and Cibola too.

 

[waterhunter]

You must really have hot minerals up there. I have been using a tejon here in Nebraska for several weeks and have found nothing that will go deeper, but I stick strictly to sand and wood chips mostly as the ground is hard and dry. The ground balance is a little hard to get used to but I dont even bother to balance it and have dug targets in sand deeper than I like to and would never dig on land - this think gets me thru all the sand down to the solid ground below and unless the target is on top of the solid area I leave it. I usually only have the sensitivity up to about 4 most of the time - this spring when we get some moisture in the ground it softens up I expect it will get some old stuff in the ground - I do admit I dig a lot of junk, but I can usually tell from the sound that it is junk, but I want it out of the way - have got too much gold and other good items from junk signals, even watches will sound like junk, but I wont did junk type targets in ground.

 

[rentasquid]

n/t

 

[jbow]

I find that my Tejon will give a chirp on most metal but will tune it out with several passes over the target. Still... you have to just set all other detectors aside and use only the Tejon for at least a month, assuming you hunt every day or two, it will take longer if you only hunt on weekends. I use a Tejon, a T2, and a SovGT. The T2 has become my first choice but I still use both the Tejon and the GT because each machine has it's strengths and it's weaknesses... weaknesses... is that a word?

Anyway, good luck, dig 'em and learn the Badger's language. I know quite a few people who use the Tejon only and they do very well hunting relics here in NW GA where it is really high iron and mineral.

Again, Good Luck!!

Julien

 

[Jackpine Savage]

I have followed the Tesoro forums for some time and prior to the new Tesoro's with the hot circuits and I'm referring to the Tejon only here, have read many posts by people who prefer the Tesoros quieter discrimination over other detectors that are noisy on targets near the disc set point. After the Tejon was released those same people did not seem to mind that same trait with their new Tesoro. I find that quite funny.

If you want quiet Disc go with the Vaquero. More than likely you will see almost all the depth and sensitivity of the Tejon and with hardly anyh of the clicks and pops. With the right sweep speed in trash/iron it goes deep, seperates well and is much easier on the ears.

Tom