Hi,all, I have just recieved one of those sunray S-1 Probes for my elite, and have only been out with it once, and the weather is not making it possible to get out any time soon. The million dollar question is, does the probe just sense on the very tip, or does it also sense on the sides to? Meaning that if i am in the removed plug hole and am moving the senser around,could the target be just at the very tip of the sensor, or could it also be anywhere around the shaft of the probe, when i am getting a target response? Also do most of you use the probe in the all metal mode or the variable mode? Any help and anymore experienced input to using the probe would be greatly appreciated. Also just to mention that this is a great forum, and a fountain of knowledge. Thanks to all the pros out there with there very valuable input. Its good to hear others adventures in the field when you sometime feel like you are the only one out there with a backhoe sized hole, and a broken back, and a penny to pay for it all. LOL , buts its still fun. Might not post much, but sure do read them. Thanks in Advance. Ron
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S-1 Probe Question
- Thread starter Ron G
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Art (NWOH)
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Should mostly work around the end.
Most would use in disc mode otherwise would defeat the purpose...........you can tell which object in the hole or dirt pile is what you are looking for.
It's a small (really small) coil that will get you on the right target.
HH
Most would use in disc mode otherwise would defeat the purpose...........you can tell which object in the hole or dirt pile is what you are looking for.
It's a small (really small) coil that will get you on the right target.
HH
Ron,
I find that the probe will pick up on the sides too towards the tip of the probe, but by moving the probe and getting the loudest signal it is easy to pinpoint with it. For me I get the signal I want to dig, go to all metal pinpoint and pinpoint it with the coil and when this is done I will switch the probe on while in all metal pinpoint and find the target. Now if it was a louder signal meaning it is not too deep I can use the probe to find the target with out digging first. Now if it was a deeper signal I will dig out a plug and go in with the probe in all metal being I have ID the target with the coil as one I wanted to dig. Now if this was one of my iffy signals I like to dig sometimes just to make sure it is good or bad I Will go in the hole still in all metal, but when I get a signal strong enough to ID I will switch to disc and use the probe to ID. If it nulls I know it is iron,but if it gives that nice tone of a good target I will dig as I now know it is a good signal.As you see I use the all metal most of the time when I use the Probe and only disc when I want to ID when I get close to the target as all metal will go deeper and pinpoint exactly where the target is.
Rick
I find that the probe will pick up on the sides too towards the tip of the probe, but by moving the probe and getting the loudest signal it is easy to pinpoint with it. For me I get the signal I want to dig, go to all metal pinpoint and pinpoint it with the coil and when this is done I will switch the probe on while in all metal pinpoint and find the target. Now if it was a louder signal meaning it is not too deep I can use the probe to find the target with out digging first. Now if it was a deeper signal I will dig out a plug and go in with the probe in all metal being I have ID the target with the coil as one I wanted to dig. Now if this was one of my iffy signals I like to dig sometimes just to make sure it is good or bad I Will go in the hole still in all metal, but when I get a signal strong enough to ID I will switch to disc and use the probe to ID. If it nulls I know it is iron,but if it gives that nice tone of a good target I will dig as I now know it is a good signal.As you see I use the all metal most of the time when I use the Probe and only disc when I want to ID when I get close to the target as all metal will go deeper and pinpoint exactly where the target is.
Rick
berkeley bottle boy
New member
As art and rick said, the probe sounds off only at and around the tip. The probe has a range of about 3" if you're running Sens ~12oclock.
Also the Sovereign does not lie in All Metal. If you get a blip, there is something there. Disc can false off of iron to fool you. I always check what I think is something in Disc by using All Metal to pinpoint before digging.
Heres how I use the probe:
A) pinpoint by "X"ing the coil in all metal
B) flip to disc, flip to probe, and scan the spot
...1. if i get a signal with the probe, its a shallow object 1-3" therefore I'll cut a plug expecting to split the plug in half to get out the shallow thing. (you could use a coin probe/screwdriver to pry it up but I don't). if it nulls, its probably iron, so either pass or if the disc tone was just too good, dig it up and check the area again.
...2. if no signal with probe, its deep. so using the original pinpoint location I'll cut a plug ~4" across. when I pry out the plug I'll scan the hole with the probe.
......I) if I hear a strong signal, I've got it.
......II) if I hear a weak signal, I'll flip in to All Metal and pinpoint in the bottom of the hole with the probe. you can get a threshold change in All Metal from an object a little too distant to give a good Disc signal.
......III) if I null out, its iron, but maybe there is something else down there too? maybe recover it and then restart.
...3. if no signal on the bottom of the hole, check the plug possibly waving the plug over the coil to be sure. also use the tip of the probe to check the sides of the hole. if you get a signal goto I, II, or III.
...4. if nothing, dig another plug length out of the hole and rescan with probe. at this point you'll be at least 6" down (the length of a lesche digger).
...5. if nothing, its either really deep or the initial pinpoint was bad. Switch back to the coil and into all metal and pinpoint again. is it something tiny in the dirt you've already pulled out?
...6. if the pinpoint was bad and the signal is to the side of your plug, cut a new semi plug on the side.
...7. if you get no signal -- its either tiny shallow iron that you've bumped to the side somehow or its in the bottom of that hole so go to 9".
...8. if nothing -- either keep digging until you're tired or pack everything back in. go back to the coil and see if you get something now.
C) pile the dirt back in, replace the plug, and tamp it down with my
heel.
Most of my recoveries have been at 7" or less, so there might be some extra tricks for the 1' recoveries people sometimes talk about.
Hope this helps!
Also the Sovereign does not lie in All Metal. If you get a blip, there is something there. Disc can false off of iron to fool you. I always check what I think is something in Disc by using All Metal to pinpoint before digging.
Heres how I use the probe:
A) pinpoint by "X"ing the coil in all metal
B) flip to disc, flip to probe, and scan the spot
...1. if i get a signal with the probe, its a shallow object 1-3" therefore I'll cut a plug expecting to split the plug in half to get out the shallow thing. (you could use a coin probe/screwdriver to pry it up but I don't). if it nulls, its probably iron, so either pass or if the disc tone was just too good, dig it up and check the area again.
...2. if no signal with probe, its deep. so using the original pinpoint location I'll cut a plug ~4" across. when I pry out the plug I'll scan the hole with the probe.
......I) if I hear a strong signal, I've got it.
......II) if I hear a weak signal, I'll flip in to All Metal and pinpoint in the bottom of the hole with the probe. you can get a threshold change in All Metal from an object a little too distant to give a good Disc signal.
......III) if I null out, its iron, but maybe there is something else down there too? maybe recover it and then restart.
...3. if no signal on the bottom of the hole, check the plug possibly waving the plug over the coil to be sure. also use the tip of the probe to check the sides of the hole. if you get a signal goto I, II, or III.
...4. if nothing, dig another plug length out of the hole and rescan with probe. at this point you'll be at least 6" down (the length of a lesche digger).
...5. if nothing, its either really deep or the initial pinpoint was bad. Switch back to the coil and into all metal and pinpoint again. is it something tiny in the dirt you've already pulled out?
...6. if the pinpoint was bad and the signal is to the side of your plug, cut a new semi plug on the side.
...7. if you get no signal -- its either tiny shallow iron that you've bumped to the side somehow or its in the bottom of that hole so go to 9".
...8. if nothing -- either keep digging until you're tired or pack everything back in. go back to the coil and see if you get something now.
C) pile the dirt back in, replace the plug, and tamp it down with my
heel.
Most of my recoveries have been at 7" or less, so there might be some extra tricks for the 1' recoveries people sometimes talk about.
Hope this helps!
Art (NWOH)
New member
Stompimg a deep hole is tough. Particularly if it's fairly dry.
Need a club or something else to to pack it in after adding an inch or so at a time if you want to get it all back in the hole. Never figured out how to get gravel back into a hole right, or how to refill after digging up bricks or rocks.
Holes a foot or more deep with a brick or rock are just plain hard to fill level.
HH
Need a club or something else to to pack it in after adding an inch or so at a time if you want to get it all back in the hole. Never figured out how to get gravel back into a hole right, or how to refill after digging up bricks or rocks.
Holes a foot or more deep with a brick or rock are just plain hard to fill level.
HH
berkeley bottle boy
New member
Stick the extra in your pockets. Fill up the flowerpots when you get home?
Art (NWOH)
New member
The few times I will dig it, have flipped the excess off to the side.
Have done that with a few rocks and bricks. Tossed them where nobody would notice.
Have sometimes carried a few cat litter jugs full of water along. Pour in the hole then dump the dirt back in. Not too bad for refilling deep holes. Fills them with mud, but it all seems to fit back in.
Just don't want to dig too many and fill them that way.
Helps when the dirt is dry. Helps keep from killing the plugs.
HH
Have done that with a few rocks and bricks. Tossed them where nobody would notice.
Have sometimes carried a few cat litter jugs full of water along. Pour in the hole then dump the dirt back in. Not too bad for refilling deep holes. Fills them with mud, but it all seems to fit back in.
Just don't want to dig too many and fill them that way.
Helps when the dirt is dry. Helps keep from killing the plugs.
HH
I wear a lamb or (goat) skin glove on my left hand and if it's not too rocky will pound it in with the fist when it's about half full. Still, those bricks can pose a problem, they never do go back in there right...
I just do my best and if it don't look too good i'll rough it up a little, move some thatch over there from nearby areas, (making them look bad too), and then look at it with my eye's blurred then keep hunting...
Laff...
J
I just do my best and if it don't look too good i'll rough it up a little, move some thatch over there from nearby areas, (making them look bad too), and then look at it with my eye's blurred then keep hunting...
Laff...
J
Art (NWOH)
New member
Have carried off or tossed into the bushes quite a few large pieces of junk or rocks/bricks.
Most dissapointing dig was a deep 550 reading that turned out to be a small v-belt pulley at 14". Hoped it was a stash, but didnt work out that way.
Dirt was dry and hard digging. Worst part was the brick at about 10".
Invented a few new cuss words by the time I was done.
HH
Most dissapointing dig was a deep 550 reading that turned out to be a small v-belt pulley at 14". Hoped it was a stash, but didnt work out that way.
Dirt was dry and hard digging. Worst part was the brick at about 10".
Invented a few new cuss words by the time I was done.
HH
That is a GREAT idea. I am going to buy some for a particular yard that I have been putting off hunting for fear of hurting the lawn. The house dates back to 1830 and was between the Confederate and Union lines at Cassville. It is the James Foster house and a historic site but the current improvements feature a really nice front lawn all the way out to the original well that sits out by the road. I feel really lucky to have permission to hunt the property and have worried about leaving any kind of mess. The cat litter thing is a great idea and I bet using some of those water saver granules would be a great idea to put in all holes you dig in a lawn.
Thanks!
Julien
Thanks!
Julien
Art (NWOH)
New member
Not the cat litter.......the jugs hold 2 or so gallons of water. You could bring along gallon milk jugs or anything else and pour a pint or quart of water in each hole with the dirt. Really does help getting the dirt all back in and helps save the plug.
This is best in a location where you will not be digging too many holes. It's a matter of how much water you want to bring along.
Never tried this but you could mix some Miracle Grow with the water. Might make the plugs turn really dark green and grow like heck.
HH
This is best in a location where you will not be digging too many holes. It's a matter of how much water you want to bring along.
Never tried this but you could mix some Miracle Grow with the water. Might make the plugs turn really dark green and grow like heck.
HH
I mis-understood, I own a pest control company so I alway's have jugs of water on hand! I now have the idea of sprinkling a handfull of water saver into the hole under the plug and wet it a little, I bet this would stop dead grass and brown rings in a nice lawn. I am going to try it!
Do you think it's a bad idea?
J
Do you think it's a bad idea?
J
Art (NWOH)
New member
just plain old water to help settle the dirt and help the plug.
Seems to work with deep holes or when the dirt is starting to get dry.
Pour in water, then dirt, top off with plug, Press firmly with your foot.
Do a horseshoe plug if possible.
HH
Seems to work with deep holes or when the dirt is starting to get dry.
Pour in water, then dirt, top off with plug, Press firmly with your foot.
Do a horseshoe plug if possible.
HH