Rick.....you will think this is hilarious.........

[Art (NWOH)]

Don't know if I was using a bad penny or not. Don't really think so, but.....

Decided to run on the alkaline pack full of rechargeables for a different voltage.
Seemed to work better. Yanked that out and slammed the blue pack back in, and guess what??

Works fine now. No more than two passes to get the right reading .

If it's gonna happen to anybody, it will happen to me.

HH
Art

 

[Rick(ND)]

Art at least you are like me and when something is not right we think of everything we can to figure it out and why.
I was starting to wonder if your meter was giving you a problem and hanging up as I remember it did when it was new as something is different with the GT over the Elite.
Good to hear you figured it out as I was trying to get mine to do this, now I can go detecting again instead of trying to duplicate it.

Rick

 

[Art (NWOH)]

Sorry to cause you the extra work. Just that I trust you not to give me a BS story.

Doubtful that the meter (tried both) could cause it, as the tone was running with the meter. Strictly a function of the control box.

Possible that there is a connector not seated properly inside. Took a good wack in the right place to get it going.

Might get brave enough to look inside some time. Hear that they are a bear to get apart.

Thanks for your indulgence.

HH
Art

 

[Rick(ND)]

And exchange ideas, we all learn from them and what to look for.
I want to install a remote pinpoint switch on my GT this winter and will have to talk to them that have done this to see how they will come apart and look at all the different ways to do this.
Anyway Art I like to try different things and different challenges, so we can learn more and more, when we stop learning is when we have a problem.

Rick.

 

[Art (NWOH)]

Some could swing a Sov or any other detector for years without spotting some of these things.

Some times the unexpected can work to our advantage, and some times not.

I like to share both the good and the bad. Some may find the info useful at some point.

With some of these things that we don't know if they are normal or not or have been overlooked by most , it gets a bit confusing.

I didn't understand the "threshold only " hits until I got the S-12. Never could find anything, so was just a noise spike. Not so with the S-12. So I had to learn to set the sensitivity carefully with it, while with the other coils I could let them false on the noise a bit without missing anything or really needing to check out those spots. So we got "hit or miss" coils and "maybe" coils.

Meters are another story. What you describe as being more or less "stable" was something I attributed to noise pickup until I got the Elite meter and found it to be just slower to respond than the XS2 meter.

It ends up that we are not always talking about the same things from the same perspectives.

Enough babble for now. Got things to get done.

Thanks again for your help in getting things sorted out.

HH
Art

 

[funkyoldude]

I racked my brain over this one and couldn't come up with an answer that made any sense. Since as you pointed out, the meter and tone tracked with each other. I am suspicious that the signal voltage to the meter, and the voltage that drives the voltage controlled "tone" generator are derived from the same source. It seems logical that the circuits that create these voltages is suspect.
Unless the whole thing is done with software in the microprocessor (i.e., digital filters, oscillators, etc.), which may mean that Minelab revised the program or fiddled with the receiver gain, or phase detector(s).
I was trying to offer some help, but things got so complicated that I had to dunk my head into a bucket of ice water, just to cool down the synapsis!
Thanks for the great posts. I really hate quirks. Now I'll go back down into my hole.
Check you all later.

fod

 

[Art (NWOH)]

Seem to remember that when the Elites first came out there was some kind of problem with an internal cable or something that was not seated properly. Could be the same kind of thing.

Works now, and would probably either have worked or been clear dead if I had shipped it to Minelab. Would hate to go to the trouble and have them say there is nothing wrong.

Get to bed and hit the beach early.

I gotta get some beer and fix a cat damaged window screen.

HH