Reversed Disc method.

[opa81]

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[EZrider]

More depth.

 

[opa81]

Ok I do unsterstand that but still, or actually I don't because you still keep on hearing 99% of the signals in the Disc mode also.

 

[Neil]

opa your gonna be hearing more signals and at greater depths. all metal will show you how much the sov masks targets in disc.

try it for a few hunts. you dont have to switch back to disc each and every time. learning the sov takes time.

 

[dewcon4414]

The only problem i seem to have, and im sure its me, is i have to slow down to hunt AM because of the weak signals and salt response. I think part of the reason is you can use higher sensitivity with AM its not as affected as disc....you can still check a target at that high sensitivity but may not be able to HUNT at that sensitivity. Also you sweap speed isnt as important in AM. Ive read somewhere where someone said the higher the sensitivity on the Xcal the slower your sweep speed should be. In the water id say that ok because your swing is subject to current any way.

Dew

 

[opa81]

What I mean is if do get a deep signal in AM and you switch over to Disc and you can still hear the signal that means that the disc mode goes as deep as the AM mode.

From the 100 signals you get I think only 1 or 2 signals can not be heard in the Disc mode. Or am I thinking wrong here.

Andre

 

[Critterhunter]

Are you talking about All Metal on the Sovereign or on the Excal?

On the Sovereign I have read that you can tell targets apart somewhat by how All Metal responds to them. I haven't hunted in All Metal all that much since I'm confident on my GT with the 12x10 that I'm already going where no man has gone before depth wise.

 

[Rick(ND)]

I am one that feels the Sovereign goes deeper in disc than all metal most of the time as I have seen many signals I can get in disc that I do not when I switch to all metal to pinpoint.. The way I do it and to check if a signals is good or bad as some are questionable being so deep is when I get one of those weak and deep sounding signals (when going real slow in order to hear them) that may not be real repeatable while in disc I will go to all metal pinpoint and check them. Some I get no signal and go back to disc and will hear it and have to pinpoint in disc and dig. Another thing i have seen on several signals is when I do a pinpoint and can get a signal I like to do the 90 degree pinpoint so the signal is right under the very center of the coil so I can dig a smaller plug. Now on the deep signals after I did my pinpoint I will hold the coil steady over that target and switch back to disc and slightly wiggle the coil to see what the threshold will do and find if the threshold is climbing or don't seem to make any difference I want to dig, if it nulls I find it is iron. From this I find that maybe all metal gets a little deeper, but 99% of the time the disc will see everything that all metal will do and for me easier to hear when you do go over any targets plus able to spend more time swinging the detector and less time checking out every signal in all metal and switch to disc.
That is my opinion and what I have seen in my 16 years with the Sovereign(WOW cant believe it been 16 years with the Sovereign but started in 1996 and when I first used it I thought I made a major mistake buying it, but now I am glad I did or I would not have so many older coins from worked to death areas).


Rick

 

[OldBeechnut]

DEW
I think part of the reason is you can use higher sensitivity with AM its not as affected as disc....you can still check a target at that high sensitivity but may not be able to HUNT at that sensitivity.

You got it dew..everything has alot to do with where you hunt and what works the best.Only problem, be very careful with the new exca II's hunting like this...just my opinion... could cause issues down the road with the potentiometer.

 

[BeachBum007]

I get signals often that cannot be heard in Disc. From what ive learned, you need to swing slower in disc. , otherwise you lose depth, beacause of all the work the machine is doing to seperate all the signals...In all metal i can swinga little faster...But must be more aware for those small changes in threshhold..On the other hand, I think that is easier to hear a responce while hunting FAST , in Disc, .as you have a constant threshhold that is broken to tell you something is there..But the only time i hunt FAST is if there are A LOT of good sounding conductive targets that there is no way to get them all{Cherry Pick Conditions) If you are lucky enough to find these honey holes, then depth really isnt a issue, cause you are there at the right time{heavy objects near surface} but as we all know, those conditions wont last and the gold will sink...So i rather go slow in AM and get that one ring and those 100 coins. It all depends on conditions, swing speed, sensitivity, so forth...I have only 100 hours on my Excal...this is what i have found to work good for me...Im am not saying im right....would like to hear other peoples hunting techniques...Im wet sand hunting in california, with a excal 2 1000..PP mod makes this type of hunting a lot easier....

 

[Critterhunter]

On the GT I too have found that some deep signals I get in discrimination can not be heard when I switch to All Metal PP. Most of the time I PP in discrimination these days anyway.

People say the All Metal mode on an Excal is different, though.

 

[hershey1]

I hunt in PP sometimes and I look at it as just another tool in the box. The trash is the deciding factor for me as others have said. A clean beach and a constant threshold can work very well. Just as E-Trac users know two tone ferrous is deadly when used in the right places. In the water is where this method seems to work better for me. But to each his or her own. If you are finding good targets it sure is hard to change tactics. If not try something different. HH

 

[Critterhunter]

What confuses me is why anybody would want to hunt in PP on the Excal. The Sovereign/Excal are already getting deeper than anything on the planet in discrimination mode. If you want to hunt in all metal PP mode because (at least on the Excal) some people claim they are getting deeper, then why not just buy a PI unit which is going to be deeper and also have no discrimination ability like all metal PP?

I know some swear by PP being deeper on the Excal than discrimination but when I tested it on my friend's Excal it wasn't deeper. On my GT I often find that deep targets I find in discriminate won't show up in all metal PP mode. I'm sort of convinced that all metal PP mode on the Excal isn't really deeper, it just sounds off more to targets when there is a high iron concentration in the sand that might otherwise be nulled out in discriminate mode.

 

[BeachBum007]

For me on the west coast..there ate high amounts of black sand..PP goes deep..anything over a certain depth here will null...i must remove a little sand to check in disc.. depends on were you hunt...

 

[razzz0]

My experience is mixed.On some beaches with black sand, AM threshold is very wavery no matter where you set the sensitivity and target response is weak comparing to Disc.

On the other hand on some beaches where AM threshold is constant, target response is stronger and you can hear deep target whispers that when you switch to Disc sometimes you may not get target response till you scrape some sand off the top.

So all depends on ground condition, target layout and how you tune your detector.

And do not forget if the detector has not ground balanced correctly for that particular spot you are hunting, AM mode may suffer some performance on Sov GT.

I am not an expert or anything like that at all. This are my opinions only. I started with Exal 1000 12-13 years ago then came Sov 2XP-Pro, Sov GT (Still have them and hunt with them) and now I am trying to learn GPX 5000.

Regards

 

[Buried Crap NJ]

[size=medium][/size]I am not going to go into depth because I don't care how deep the target is.If you can't hear it you won't dig! What I can say is in my few years with the Excalibur I can hear far more targets in all metal then Discriminate. I will agree when questioning whether you can hear in both modes it seems as if you can hear them in both modes most of the time. I What was touched on above is if you find a target in PP and check real nice a slow in discriminate you can hear it in both. But stop and check your coil control (speed) and its a different story altogether. Even at a slower pace in discriminate you can miss lots of targets till once over the target and you go slow sweep. Try this go walk your normal pace in discriminate see how many targets you dig,and then like you have to poop your pants slow in discriminate do the same area see how many more you dig. These are slow motion machines, fast just won't cut it.Less area covered better is far better than more area covered and missing most of the targets. Most of the time you need not leave an area of more than 100 yards in 4 hrs and have your pockets full to the brim.Time that's a factor also if you hunt 2 hrs vs 6 hrs then the separation of how many you hear or don't hear varies greatly. Many of my first year hunts were to learn what I can do to make the machine do what I want it to,find gold. I spent hundreds of hours without a great amount of gold finds just learning the machine. I am not done learning and never will be!

 

[fsa46]

If you want to hunt in all metal PP mode because (at least on the Excal) some people claim they are getting deeper, then why not just buy a PI unit which is going to be deeper and also have no discrimination ability like all metal PP?
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I have read this topic on every forum I've gone on and always wondered the same thing. The same argument always, hunt in AM and get the deeper targets. Buy a discriminating machine and hunt AM because it's deeper....I don't get it.

I have an Excalibur and only use the DISC mode, and just bought a DFPI, why, because when I'm hunting a clean area, I can use the DFPI because it will go deeper than the Excal does in the AM mode.

 

[OldBeechnut]

I have read this topic on every forum I've gone on and always wondered the same thing. The same argument always, hunt in AM and get the deeper targets. Buy a discriminating machine and hunt AM because it's deeper....I don't get it. I have an Excalibur and only use the DISC mode, and just bought a DFPI, why, because when I'm hunting a clean area, I can use the DFPI because it will go deeper than the Excal does in the AM mode.

There are many advantages that one discovers once hunting with any machine, giving the time to learn. Diversification, is one of the great advantages of the Excalibur.....Specially when conditions change with every tide.......

 

[Tin Fin]

Well, I'm new here; but have found this discussion interesting. I don't have an Excal or Sovereign - yet - and am debating about which one to get in order to learn on... I have been doing my homework though, reading what I can about the Excal, as I want to be able to water hunt; and most of the time, when I go to the family land, I just have to accept what the weather throws at me, which is usually heavy fog to the point of nearly rain, or rain - thus my leaning toward the Excal even as a land detector. At this point, I'm not worried about how deep I can get with it (I know how deep I can get into trouble without help), But it will become a concern for me, of that I'm sure. I do have areas to hunt that have boatloads of iron trash though, fallen down houses, old orchard, things like that. I have found out from this discussion, that finding what works for me will be important. Great comments everyone.