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Return trip to the rental house!

CZconnoisseur

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Today I invited Dad and my uncle to come hunt the rental house that was so productive a couple nights back - and still managed to pull a decent pile of clad and Wheats from it. Now that I could see what I was doing as opposed to nighttime hunting, I rechecked some areas using Reactivity = 4 and Silencer = 0 and was able to find a LOT of coins that were masked by lower reactivity settings on the first couple of hunts.

Dad brought his CZ-6 and immediately found a 1957 nickel - and he was to brag about that for less than two minutes when I found 3 Wheats in the same hole, followed by a 1943 D Merc. We spent about 3 hours as it got warmer and more humid, but both the back and front yards were shaded pretty well with a nice summery breeze blowing. I stuck to the high-traffic areas in Reactivity = 4 while they stayed in the more open and cleaner areas of the yard.

I will say that the CZ-6 ignores bottlecaps MUCH BETTER than the Deus - I got some really nice sounding mid-and-high 80s VDI targets and asked Dad to scan them with the Fisher...no response whatsoever from that machine. He did, however, dig a couple deep rusty bolts and iron whatsits that the Deus totally ignored - I guess no machine is perfect and they all have their quirks!

Once we got through the backyard we made our way to the front sidewalk and steps, Dad started hunting the area next to the stoop and found a 1940 and 1950 Wheats in the same hole! That CZ-6 is great in the trash, and I came in behind him just as an experiment and was able to pluck a clad quarter and a couple zincolns that the Fisher couldn't quite make out. Most zincolns I've run across register from "55-62" in 4 kHz, and most of the time I dig them since it's entirely possible that an Indian head cent could be lurking somewhere on the property, which dates back to 1950. There were a few Indians still in circulation at that time, much like there are still a few Wheats floating around nowadays, and I don't want to miss the opportunity to bag one of those! Came real close today to doing just that with a beautiful 1911 Wheat...it was only 2" deep and hit at "56".

Forgot to mention the sterling silver "ARIES" brooch the other night - found this on the short hunt the night the guy crashed into the yard. Research shows that from 1928-1970 an Italian designer named Cini made these zodiac brooches, which peaked in popularity in the 1940s and 1950s. It's about 10grams and is wider than a silver dollar. I remember it registering as "86" in 4 kHz but I almost didn't dig it thinking it was a can or something - VDI was a little high for that, however, so it came up anyway. Glad I did!

While hunting today the next door neighbor got curious and I showed her what we were doing - and managed to secure permission to hunt her yard! So the network continues - only have about a month left in this house before we move to a newer (boring from a MDing standpoint, but much safer) section of the city.
 
Wonderful recoveries. I like your methodology of stepping up the reactivity after you have been through with the Deus running slower. Nice family outing
~ B Spa
 
Nice family hunt. Saw your other post; funny that we both nailed '43 D Mercs on the same day. Great to see that reactivity =4 is actually usable in the field -- not just a novelty that the machine is capable of -- and that you were able to unmask more targets. So, at reactivity = 4,
* What was your deepest target (good or bad)?
* And how fast/slow were you able to sweep and still get clear signals to stop/dig/investigate further?
Thanks,
Rich
 
samandnoah said:
Nice family hunt. Saw your other post; funny that we both nailed '43 D Mercs on the same day. Great to see that reactivity =4 is actually usable in the field -- not just a novelty that the machine is capable of -- and that you were able to unmask more targets. So, at reactivity = 4,
* What was your deepest target (good or bad)?
* And how fast/slow were you able to sweep and still get clear signals to stop/dig/investigate further?
Thanks,
Rich

Rich,

While using Reactivity = 4 you can sweep as fast as you want to - a good way to demonstrate this is to set the detector down while in this setting and sweep a coin past the searchcoil. It doesn't matter how fast you can oscillate a target in front of it, the software will still pick it up!!!

I don't search/sweep any faster using higher reactivity settings, and in high traffic high trash areas it actually behooves you to sweep SLOWER for the max depth. I've recovered Wheats at 6" down on "4" reactivity, and on a previous rental house I've been able to pull keepers using r4 after searching a tiny 10' X 10' area with r3. You don't lose much depth going from r3 to r4, but r2 to r3 there is considerable loss of detection on anything past 7" (penny/dime size targets)

I found a 1943 quarter in Reactivity = 4 in my backyard after hunting it first with the 11 X 13 coil - 8 khz, 12 kHz, and then changed to the 11" round coil - again, I started in r3 in 8 kHz, then 12 kHz, and then in 4 kHz using r2 to try and find deep targets. After not finding anything beyond 7" in the backyard - I got a wild hair and tried 4 kHz in Reactivity = 4 for the ultimate in separation of ferrous and non-ferrous sorting. I remember the signal had NO VDI and only spit an occasional high tone, it wasn't something I would dig really, but somehow there just HAD to be a coin there after 60+ years and not finding much in the vicinity. I tried the same settings again a couple days later and found a copper crush washer 5" deep, which was impressive considering all the iron present.

If there is enough iron present - you may get an audio signal but no VDI - you really want to dig these targets!
 
Outstanding post--very useful information! Nice job on cleaning up on the rental property! Did you let the Deus set the silencer or did you change it for the R4 setting?
 
When i first got the Deus I didn't know that when you change reactivity that the silencer changed to a preset value. I started out using silencer at 2 or 3 to get around the bottlecaps, but this was before I learned that 4 kHz deals with them much better than 8 or 12 kHz.

Currently I don't run anything but Silencer = 0 due to the use of full tones. This way, if you get one of those mousefart signals...Silencer in 0 isn't much different than -1 (someone chime in if their experience says otherwise!), and -1 seems to get a little more iron-bleed through than 0 - and I still dig a LOT of iron. Since changing to 4 kHz I might dig half of the iron compared to any other frequency. Don't know if it was designed this way but it seems to work for me fairly well; and at times there's masked goodies lying beneath bottlecaps. If a software upgrade could ignore a bottlecap and see a keeper directly below the cap - well, that would be sheer perfection in my book!
 
Thanks CZ. As always, very useful info! I'm trying to get used to full tones so I don't have to keep playing around with breakpoints and such in my programs (although I do use 5 tones for my trashy area program). Other than what you point out above, any other benefits that you can think of?
 
I must say that I am surprised that you hunt at night ,a practice which is frowned upon here in Australia and for good reasons.It is regarded as a dangerous practice as an owner can take quite legal action if they discover you on their property when maybe you should not be.It is considered by police as an infringement and civil disobedience to use the cover of night to use a MD anytime after dark. I can only hope that should you continue this practice that you don't get your heads blown off. Retired Magistrate
 
oneill said:
I must say that I am surprised that you hunt at night ,a practice which is frowned upon here in Australia and for good reasons.It is regarded as a dangerous practice as an owner can take quite legal action if they discover you on their property when maybe you should not be.It is considered by police as an infringement and civil disobedience to use the cover of night to use a MD anytime after dark. I can only hope that should you continue this practice that you don't get your heads blown off. Retired Magistrate

If your opinion is representative of the majority of your countrymen then I can conclude the practice of hunting at night [on private property] is starkly different here. Once I get permission from the landowner, I would advise them that I plan to hunt at night. Your post seems to indicate one would attempt to hunt private property without permission? Many property owners here (and renters for that matter) seem to gain a peace of mind knowing there's a "friendly" on the property who serves as a pseudo security watchman. That said, it was much safer to hunt at night years ago when there was much less crime. I have hunted parks at night, but even in the midwest, I find I feel much safer hunting parks in the daytime. I'm not sure I would hunt parks at night in a bigger city even here in the midwest. Some people complain they get hassled by the cops when hunting at night--I've never experienced that, but I understand in today's environment how that could be a problem.

G'day mate!
 
oneill said:
I must say that I am surprised that you hunt at night ,a practice which is frowned upon here in Australia and for good reasons.It is regarded as a dangerous practice as an owner can take quite legal action if they discover you on their property when maybe you should not be.It is considered by police as an infringement and civil disobedience to use the cover of night to use a MD anytime after dark. I can only hope that should you continue this practice that you don't get your heads blown off. Retired Magistrate

Everyone in my neighborhood knows what I do, the fact that I happen to hunt at night is a result of my day job. I would never nighthawk anywhere for any reason, as having permission is paramount no matter what time of day (or night) for hunting purposes.
 
CZ how well does your vision get at night? I would think ok where a light shines but if you look up or something, can not see much?

Been thinking of doing the same.....

Jim
 
There's enough ambient light from streetlights and such that it's not really a big deal. Besides, once you get down to dig the ProPointer has a small LED affixed so it's pretty simple.

Hunting in the day time vs night time is SOOO much easier now - so used to making an imaginary "X" with the coil at night and then getting "close" with the Lesche or sharpshooter depending on the site.
 
Thanks fella"s for the explanations ,all I was concerned about was your safety.It might be a personal thing but I would feel much safer being in full view of other people,Yes we have an element of people here who night hawk on other peoples property without permission and I regard them as unsavoury.Oneill
 
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