I guess we can all agree that this relic is the bottom plate to a butt stock to a gun. It's made of brass and is missing a piece . Can any one date ? or tell from what country ? Rev. War ? French and Indian ? Any help will be great . If you feel its something else let us know. Found detecting a cellar hole in New York 20min. S.W. of Albany . Thank-you. Dutch
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Relic knowledge requested - Gun butt plate
- Thread starter Dutchtoga
- Start date
Try googling "India Pattern Brown Bess". The regular brown bess had a slightly heavier butt plate. The very first of the India Pattern was not built to mil specs, it was built originally for the East India Company in 1797 but the English government needed a bunch of guns ASAP and took them (bought) from the East India Company.
They went on to use them up to 1854 when they where disposed of all over the world. Mexico used them as late as 1830s in Texas against the US, and lost! Bringing a flintlock to a repeating gun fight, go figure!
Many where disposed of in Newfoundland and my friends have found several of that shape and design. I am the relic guy for my group and I have researched them. They where sold and used for hunting sea birds and where we found them was a famous spot for hunting eider ducks.
A famous quote concerning the accuracy of the India Pattern was from an officer who said that a man standing 100yds away would have little to fear from a shot from one. They where fairly lethal at 25 to 50 yards but had no rear sight. The front sight was need to attach the bayonet.
HH
1859
Come to think of it, we don't find any gun brass with these guns. Taz's gunis probably be the correct fit for this butt plate. I don't have them nearby and I don't have a picture with me. I don't recall that tang on the 2 we found. So your gun is probably earlier than the "India".
They went on to use them up to 1854 when they where disposed of all over the world. Mexico used them as late as 1830s in Texas against the US, and lost! Bringing a flintlock to a repeating gun fight, go figure!
Many where disposed of in Newfoundland and my friends have found several of that shape and design. I am the relic guy for my group and I have researched them. They where sold and used for hunting sea birds and where we found them was a famous spot for hunting eider ducks.
A famous quote concerning the accuracy of the India Pattern was from an officer who said that a man standing 100yds away would have little to fear from a shot from one. They where fairly lethal at 25 to 50 yards but had no rear sight. The front sight was need to attach the bayonet.
HH
1859
Come to think of it, we don't find any gun brass with these guns. Taz's gunis probably be the correct fit for this butt plate. I don't have them nearby and I don't have a picture with me. I don't recall that tang on the 2 we found. So your gun is probably earlier than the "India".
Here is another butt plate that i cannot identify on the internet. Dug in Jan 2013 in Central Virginia. The straight tang is pinned and the end of the tang comes to a point. Found an additional piece of brass in the same hole that has a piece of rotted wood attached to the screw. Found at base of tree about 2 inches in the ground. Can any ID the rifle from this butt plate? thanks