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Realities of Selling Your Gold to Midwest Refineries:confused:

BigDan

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Based upon recommendations from this forum I have sold my gold to Midwest for a year now because they pay at 95%.
WELL MAYBE. :stars: I recently questioned why my calculated value differed from what I actually received from them. The following is their response to my inquiry

"Dan, orders under 3 troy ounces are purchased outright, as it is not cost effective to do an assay on small amounts. The items are tested and purchased on averages of similar karat as follows: 10K = 39%, 14K = 55% and 18K = 71% (no karat gold comes out to be plumb). There is also a 2% to 4% after melt weight loss factored in, because eventually small orders are combined and melted at a later date, after we settle with our customers. The settlement report is not filled in, in all the boxes, when we purchase small lots outright. Lots over 3 troy ounces are melted and assayed to get exact numbers. Either way, you receive 95% of the amount of pure gold contained and whatever the spot price is, at the time of settlement.
Regards, Gary Frenkel
Midwest Refineries

"
I guess if we use .583 for 14k estimates we are mistaken because K markings are not accurate.

The response explains a lot and gives the reason why I have always been disappointed when I receive a check for my gold sales. First deduct 3% for the melt loss....then deduct another 6% for the k difference .... only then multiply the result by the 95%

95% IS NOT 95% :stretcher:

I think this probably is fair but all should know up front that:

18k is not .75 it is .71,
14k is not .58 it is .55
and 10 k is not .416 it is .39
 
Fortunately, I learned this before shipping to Midwest. I sell to ARA Gold in Dallas, never a complaint in several transactions.
IMO, the best place to sell.
 
n/t
 
There have been various shady things every time I used them since '07. I felt like I was held hostage, because there was no alternative without getting REALLY screwed! I had a very similar experience the last time I used them Dan. That is a recent development with the no assays of less than 3 troy ozs. It is deceptive, in that they are able to net greater profits, since your order is small. The last time I checked their website, nowhere is it mentioned that orders would be purchased outright on a %, it only advertises 95% payout. YES, the gold DOES assay lighter than the karat stamp indicates and YES you DO lose some on the melt, but the buying outright on a percentage is an outright screwing and they won't get any more of mine. I've had the same lame ass response from Gary too, same old song and dance. My last order WAS less than 3 troy ozs., but only after a couple of pieces were not real gold. A couple I knew were suspect, one piece was an earring, part was accepted as gold, the other part rejected? How does that work? My 10K batch was 40% light and the 14K was conservatively 20% light of their 95% proposed payout. From now on, this company will be receiving my business.
http://www.aragold.com/refining-schedule.html
 
Isent them a gold chain checked by a jewery store and was told it was junk and i could'nt get it back 500.00 gone no more to midwest ever again!!!!!
 
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