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RE: Conduct and Ferrous?

rluka

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The Explorer II manual doesn't go into a lot of detail about the differences between Ferrous and Conduct. I would really appreciate it if one of you could give a good detailed explanation about the differences in tone and on the smart find screen.

For example: When using Ferrous I'm assuming that the bottom left hand side of the smart find screen would be 31 0 and the top right hand corner would be 0 31. So the top left corner would be 31 31 and the bottom right corner would be 0 0. Sorry, Im just not sure since I rarely switch over to the digital screen.

How does this change when you switch over to Conduct?
And, Im not really sure how the tones would change.
Wouldnt a silver dime sound the same in both?

Anyway..Its snowing outside and I cant go detecting (although some people up here in Canada detect in the snow...bbbbrrrrr)

My silver count is at about 70 for this year which is pretty good for me. I have only had my Explorer II for a short while.
Thanks..Ron L
 
Ron - The lower right is 0/0 and the upper left is 31/31 no matter which sound is used. Using ferrous sounds the highest tones are on the right side of screen and the lowest tones are on the left side.
Using conduct the highest sounds are at the top of the screen and the lowest are at the bottom of the screen. I'm sdure someone will give a more detailed answer. HH

AK in KY
 
Ron,

The following is my understanding, but not gospel.

The Explorer II electronics function is take the signal from the receiver coil and process it into two numbers. Those two number are a ferrous component (from 0 to 31) and a conductive component (from 0 to 31). This part of the operation is completely independent of whether you are hunting in FERROUS mode or CONDUCTIVE mode.

After the target numbers are determined, then the detector will display those numbers in either a graphical form (Smart screen) or digital form (Digital screen). The user determines which visual form is desired.

The detector then will generate a tone ID. But it is not practical to provide a two dimensional tone ID. Therefore, the user has to determine whether they prefer a tone which gives the ferrous component or the conductive component.

If the conductive tone is desired, then the tone generated will vary from a low tone to a high tone (as the value varies from 0 to 31).

If the ferrous tone is desired, then the tone will vary from a low tone to a high tone (as the value varies from 31 to 0). The reason why the ferrous tone goes from 31 to 0 is that higher tones have been selected to represent the most desirable targets.

Hope this helps,
Glenn
 
Okay
So the smartfind and digital screen are always the same. The only difference is going to be in the headphones. I wonder what it would be like if we could have the option of putting 'Ferrous' sounds in the left ear and 'Conduct' sounds in the right ear!!
Anyway..thanks for clearing that up for me...I just havent had the Explorer long enough to experiment with both settings so that I could tell the difference between the two.
RonL
 
AK has said it simply and plainly. You are probably interested in the advantages/disadvantages of ferrous vs. conductive. I used to hunt always in conductive. It works, and is pretty much like the tone system used in other detectors. Silver and copper coins give a high signal, pull tabs mid tones, foil lower yet, and iron often a low growl. This is the easiest method to "start" in and certainly finds coins. However, you may have noticed with other detectors you dig a LOT of iron, particularly rusty iron- cause it sounds like coins (and, without realizing it, you are probably missing many coins that are deep and sound more like iron).

On the Explorer pesky nails often appear at the top of the screen (when looking at crosshairs on Smart screen), usually in the far left upper corner. Silver and copper coins also appear at or very near the top of the screen- but mostly toward the right side of the screen. So- when using "conductive" sounds, where the high tones are for items appearing at the top of the screen, a nail can sound much like a coin. If you are searching an area loaded with bits of iron and nails this can be REALLY annoying and frustrating; with much practice you can tell the subtle differences between iron and coin but there is a better way. Here is where the unique "Ferrous" sound option of the Explorer comes in.

In Ferrous sounds, the RIGHT side (not top side) gives the high tone, and left side gives low tone- since most iron falls along the far left side, and coins toward right side; now iron sounds totally different than a coin. Iron is a low bleat, coin a nice high tone. In theory, this makes it MUCH easier to ferret out coins in an iron-infested field. Since most everywhere I hunt has lots of iron and nails, I use ferrous almost exclusively. BUT this is not a wonder drug, cause it opens up other confusions. The worst are the devil's invention, "bottle tops"- steel crown seals, that closed the top of every old beer bottle and coke bottle. Picnic areas have as many of these rusting hulks as ants. And they appear on the screen in the LOWER right corner, and since they are near the right side of the screen, just like coins, they also give a high-pitched coin-like squeal. (In conductive, being at the BOTTOM, they would give a low-pitched iron signal) Fortunately a glance at where the crosshairs are on the smart screen (lower right) or numbers on the digital screen (a pair of very low numbers usually in single digits or close, like 03/0:geek: immediately identify these as non-coins. Remember a typical silver or copper coin has a reading of a low number (usually under 10) and then a high number in the 20s- like 03/28. Very different. Many people get rid of the pesky crown seals by simply blacking (discriminating) out the lower right corner of the screen as few other items of interest fall in the crown seal neighborhood. This is what I do.

Our other enemy is the pulltab. Pull tabs fall more toward the center of the screen but in a wide area. Being in the middle, they give more of a middle tone whether you are in Ferrous or Conductive and you can ignore the middle tones if you wish and just dig the higher tones (hopefully coins). But some coins, especially deeper or corroded ones and Indians, tend to appear further and further away from the right side of the screen (acting more and more like iron), toward the center and sometimes way toward the left, though still near the top of the screen. This means in Ferrous they no longer have as high a tone, and the tone approaches that of pull tabs which are also away from the right side of the screen. In Ferrous these are more likely to be confused with pull tabs and passed by. If you use conductive, coins tend to keep a high tone (as they stay toward the top of the screen, even tho they may be toward right side-ideally- or even if they move to the middle) and pull tabs stay middle tone.

Therefore, in a nutshell, Conductive sound would work best in an area that has very little iron and nails but may have pulltabs, foil etc. Ferrous sound is best in an area with many nails and iron chunks, but little aluminum junk (like areas used only pre-1950).

Aha! Why not just switch back and forth between the two modes depending on where you are hunting that day- or hour? Some of us can make the shift; I find it very hard to flip-flop. Success with the Explorer means REALLY learning subtle differences between sounds, and most objects do not have the same tone or tonal relationship in Ferrous as they do in Conductive. It is sort of like driving in England versus driving in the USA- you can get to the same place with both styles of driving, but shifting to the left side of the road is confusing for a while, slows you down, and forces you to concentrate on and translate each signal, but after a week you are driving like a Limey and can enjoy the ride. Picture driving American style for an hour, and then shift to English style. Your success rate will be much better using one method and sticking with it as much as possible.
 
n/t
 
Jay, great post! I also use conductive if the left half or most ferrous metals are rejected. If the screen is mostly clear or using all meal then I use ferrous sounds.
 
Hi all !

I agree with all the previous explanations re. Fe and Con tonal choice, BUT am I alone in querying the precision of Fe tone always reflecting the true nature of iron targets?

Here in the UK whilst hunting with Exp II I often get a HIGH Fe tone whilst the Digital VDI shews 28Fe 30Cond.

I suspect the software or processor speed is not up to the job (so to speak), and the displayed data is not always in sync with the tonal response. I always trust the tone, but not necessarily the VDI.

Perhaps the more experienced Explorer II users have experienced the same senario?..........MattR.UK.

Greetings to Cody.......An excellently administrated and responsive forum....Congrats to every one.
 
Matt,

I think that I agree with your conclusion about the speed of the screen updates. You can get several tones in rapid succession (probably without going through a recovery null after each target detected). The screen only updates after recovering null. If you are getting a consistent high tone in the FERROUS mode and still getting a 28/30 reading, then I too would be puzzled.

HH,
Glenn
 
Matt - I get the same signal/tone quite often. I dig about half of them and ALWAYS it is a piece of badly rusted iron, most of the time not a nail. HH

AK in KY
 
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