Question re White's Classic ll Discrimination Range.

[ToddB64]

Hi !

I have a question that might be best answered by Monte V. Berry himself, however, anyone with competent knowledge is welcome.

Generally speaking, what discrimination range does the Classic ll have in terms I can relate to, like the Tesoro ED-120 or ED-180 discrimination circuitry as described in Monte's post located here: http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,1009405 ? Look at the paragraph down near the bottom of Monte's reply, beginning with " The ED-180 accepts, in theory, the full upper 180

 

[Hombre]

Todd,


According to what Monte says about his Brother's Classic ll............It has just a 'bit' lower disc.adjustment than an older ( Non-

 

[GoGoGopher]

Well...I am no expert, but here goes...If you turn your DISC up more than about 10 oclock, your going to start losing small gold, jewelry, and some nickels as well...It is impossible to DISC out copper pennies, and all larger coins, no matter if it it fully clockwise...at about noon to 1 oclock, you have gotten rid of most of the trash, but also, ALL of the gold, some small silver as well...
I usually hunted with the DISC at 9 oclock and no higher...This will eliminate most junk iron, but find everything else...if the sound is solid and repeatable, DIG IT...You will dig much more trash this way, but also...Much more good stuff...

HH,

 

[ToddB64]

Todd,

According to what Monte says about his Brother's Classic ll............It has just a 'bit' lower disc.adjustment than an older ( Non-

 

[ToddB64]

Well...I am no expert, but here goes...If you turn your DISC up more than about 10 oclock, your going to start losing small gold, jewelry, and some nickels as well...It is impossible to DISC out copper pennies, and all larger coins, no matter if it it fully clockwise...at about noon to 1 oclock, you have gotten rid of most of the trash, but also, ALL of the gold, some small silver as well...
I usually hunted with the DISC at 9 oclock and no higher...This will eliminate most junk iron, but find everything else...if the sound is solid and repeatable, DIG IT...You will dig much more trash this way, but also...Much more good stuff...

HH,

Thanks Robert ! ....Since I don't want to miss the "good stuff", I'll use the 9 o'clock Disc. setting....I don't mind digging the junk for the possibility of hitting on gold and silver jewelry !

Good Luck

Todd

 

[Hombre]

Todd,

According to what Monte says about his Brother's Classic ll............It has just a 'bit' lower disc.adjustment than an older ( Non-

 

[ToddB64]

Todd,

According to what Monte says about his Brother's Classic ll............It has just a 'bit' lower disc.adjustment than an older ( Non-

 

[Monte]

Generally speaking, what discrimination range does the Classic ll have in terms I can relate to, like the Tesoro ED-120 or ED-180 discrimination circuitry as described in Monte's post .... Look at the paragraph down near the bottom of Monte's reply, beginning with " The ED-180 accepts, in theory, the full upper 180

 

[Mr.Bill]

so 'Mr. Bill' is preparing me another modified IDX Pro to stay in my personal detector battery for regular use.

Thanks for reminding me to get on the stick. It's on the bench, apart. I'll get it finished for you during the coming week.

So many things happening at once. I wasn't this busy when I was working.

Bill

 

[ToddB64]

Thanks Monte for your usual very informative reply.

Being a gold and silver jewelry seeker, I'll be using the Classic ll more often, now that I know of it's capability with lower - conductive targets.....You just boosted my respect for it 100% !... Think I'll use the 9 o'clock disc. setting for awhile and see how it goes.

Earlier this year I bought a new Tesoro Compadre (ED-180 and 5.75" coil), mainly for jewelry in the Tot- lots. I've been very happy with it and pleased to say I was amazed to find a .925 sterling silver cross pendant as I was returning to my car walking across a wide open grassy field with the Compadre ON, Disc. set at the "F" in Foil, the coil straight out in front of me and not even swinging left to right !... I think God had a hand in that.

Questions Monte :
When setting the Classic ll discrimination, do you agree there is a benefit to the following suggestion by DIGGER27: "Also want to add that like my Vaq, if you turn the discrimination knob up and dial down till the signal comes in, this is more accurate than doing it the way the directions say and turn the knob up till the signal fades out." ?
He posted this here: http://www.findmall.com/read.php?17,1534553, last sentence in the 14th paragraph...Have you also found this to be true in your experience ?...The procedure reminds me of what I do with my table saw to get a more accurate angle setting by removing the backlash from the worm/gear set, i.e. dialing past the desired angle, then cranking the wheel back to the desired angle before locking the setting. But I wonder if the mechanics of the Classic ll Disc. knob would work with the same effect. ?

Thanks !

Todd

 

[Monte]

I need to gather things up to load the van to head out for an early morning Detector Owner Rendezvous meeting we host on the 2nd Saturday of each month. Your questions below fit right in with today's presentation. Actually, I took the time to read the post you referred me to and, while lengthy, it also pointed ut a number of basic errors we can make while trying to simply have fun. I much prefer to keep metal detecting as simple and enjoyable as possible so I try to avoid a number of errant techniques.

Thanks Monte for your usual very informative reply.

Being a gold and silver jewelry seeker, I'll be using the Classic ll more often, now that I know of it's capability with lower - conductive targets.....You just boosted my respect for it 100% !... Think I'll use the 9 o'clock disc. setting for awhile and see how it goes.

I'm glad some things I post are helpful. I try. I'm going to add a quick comment here about seeking gold, gold jewelry and silver jewelry and coins, and everything in between:

a.. We often read that a higher-frequency model is a must for the lower-conductive targets (such as US 5

 

[ToddB64]

Monte,

I have a folder where I keep many Treasures and it is titled Monte V. Berry .....In that folder I keep hard copies of your replies to questions on subjects that interest me most at the time or contain information that I want to preserve for the future. Your subject reply definitely goes into that folder !... I'm sure I can speak for everyone; we are so thankful to have someone like you to answer our MD'ing questions !....Your knowledge and determination to give thorough replies are outstanding !

Thanks my friend ! ... Hope you stay around for a looong time.....God Bless.

Todd

 

[RRandy]

Thanks Monty & Todd

Outstanding class...I really enjoy reading these in depth instructional posts. You never find this kind of info in a manual, or book for that matter. Todd, I think Im going to compile some of this info in folder as well, great idea. Im like you Monte, I like a little adjustability in my detector, I use my detectors in a fairly wide range of soils, my classic 4 is being Mr.Bill-ified also, Im hoping to detect some old logging camps here in Clatsop Co. while the gates are open for hunting season.

 

[Monte]

Thanks Monty & Todd

Outstanding class...I really enjoy reading these in depth instructional posts. You never find this kind of info in a manual, or book for that matter. Todd, I think Im going to compile some of this info in folder as well, great idea.

I wish I had held on to a lot of my posts over the years as I am sure I'll miss some things as I work on my book this fall/winter.

Im like you Monte, I like a little adjustability in my detector, I use my detectors in a fairly wide range of soils, my classic 4 is being Mr.Bill-ified also, Im hoping to detect some old logging camps here in Clatsop Co. while the gates are open for hunting season.

Yes, I do prefer function for peak performance. Not a lot of fancy fluff or useless features, just good basic adjustments to allow me to get the best all-purpose performance. Here in NW Oregon it's not unexpected to go through a rather interesting range of ground mineral compositions, if you get out and about.

One thing I like about the White's Classic circuitry is it doesn't have a real touchy Ground Balance setting like some models. After yesterday's Detector Owner Rendezvous meeting and outing I was hungry. While enjoying a late lunch with some of my friends we discussed several site we want to go work. There are three sites, two of them logging towns in the Oregon Coast range, that we want to get back into for some detecting. Like I told them, the amount of brush growth around the main one was quite heavy when I was there when deer season opened o the 1st.

Two of the places really need to be worked in early spring right after grasses are weighted down by winter snow. I just hope we get heavy enough snow this year and then a good break come late winter/early spring in 2012 because we had too much delayed access this year due to the extended 'wet' season. Then we discussed Bill's modification because Chris is going to send him his IDX Pro.

The beauty of the Classic circuitry design is that a proper GB setting doesn't need to be tinkered with all the time. Once I set it for some of the worst ground in the general areas I hunt, I just leave it alone and never have a problem. If I swap the 6

 

[Monte]

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[Monte]

Before I forget, my address has changed from the last mailing. It is now the following:

Monte V. Berry, Sr.
Director, AHRPS
2459 SE Tualatin Valley Hwy. #382
Hillsboro, OR 97123

Just e-mail me when it's about ready and we'll work things out. monte@ahrps.org A friend did get a me an 'as new' BullEye coil yesterday with a new lower rod so I am almost ready-to-go. Just need to mount it up to a modified IDX Pro and head off to a couple of my ghost towns before winter sets in. Oh, my friend Chris, who I believe called you a week or two ago, has his IDX Pro boxed and ready to send in for his modifications.

Thanks, and I know what you mean about being too busy when NOT working.

Monte

 

[RRandy]

Monte

I have the stock 9" coil on my classic now (the one with the open spaces, and brush catchers). I am considering getting a 4x6 DD shooter coil for it down the road. I did that when I had a Goldmaster II, and almost never use the Longscan coil again. But for right now Im getting the Mod first. Thats good to know about using the GB...I would probably have fiddled with it too much.

Ive been a little suprised at how much growth and brush there is out on the logging roads...we had ideal weather for growth this year though...Im going to try to get more logging camp info from some logger friends I know...I'll post it if anyone is interested. I havent done a logging camp before....I hope their not as bad as some of the mining camps Ive been in.

 

[Monte]

Monte

I have the stock 9" coil on my classic now (the one with the open spaces, and brush catchers).

Most people are familiar with the 'conventional' White's Classic models that operate at 6.59 kHz, such as the Classic II, Classic III SL, Classic ID and the Classic IDX and IDX Pro. The Classic II comes with and uses an 8" coil and there are limited options. The others use what we refer to as the "Blue Max" series of coils which include:

Blue Max 350 (also called the 4" Snooper coil)
Blue Max 'Shooter',
Blue Max 600 6

 

[RRandy]

Thanks for the info Monte...As soon as our weather clears up Im going out to the logging camp. (If it does). I detected my first ghost town a couple of months ago..."Jimtown", at the crystal mt. ski resort. Just found junk, but I really enjoyed researching it, and enjoyed the anticipation of finding something good...and I know the junk I found was most likely from their gold days.