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Question for you XTerra Experts

Dick from IA

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When buying my X70, I received, in addition to the stock coil, a 5"x10" 18.75KHZ DD Coil. My dealer advised me to learn the machine with the stock coil first before tackling the DD.

Here's my question: I hunt wooded areas a lot seeking coins and some relics. Ground here is not mineralized to any extent. Is this a good coil for this type of hunting or should I also add the 10.5" 7.5KHZ DD Coil, too?

I like the idea of the 5"x10" coil configuration for getting into those tight spots the woods is full of, but am also aware the 18.75KHZ is designed for mineralized ground and finding small metal.

Thanks to all who can offer some advice:clapping:
 
you will find very little difference in the detection depth or the ability to detect coins, or coin sized targets, with the three various frequencies. I say this because the difference between 3 kHz to 7.5 kHz to 18.75 kHz is not very much. I have convinced myself that the 3 kHz coil will allow me to hear the low tone created by iron, when adjacent to a coin, better than the other two frequencies. And, I have convinced myself that the higher 18.75 kHz coils are more sensitive than the other two. When I hunt with the 18.75, I have to run my sensitivity a little lower than with the other two frequencies, or it will chatter. I can't see any change in sensitivity settings between the 3 and the 7.5. I'm not saying this with any scientific proof. Just my findings based on having used all three of them, coin shooting at sites similar to what you describe.

Theoretically, the lower the frequency, the deeper it will detect and the more responsive it will be to larger and/or higher conductive targets. And, the although the higher frequency will not hunt as deeply, it will be more responsive to lower conductive targets and/or smaller targets. VLF detectors generally operate at a frequency of 3kHz to 50kHz. The Sovereign series operates at frequencies of 1.5 kHz to 25.5 kHz. And, the Explorer series operates at 1.5 kHz to 100 kHz. The DFX has 100 frequencies, but operates at 3 kHz and 15 kHz. The XLT operates at 6.59 kHz. The Tejon operates at 17.2 - 17.6 kHz. Minelab says their Eureka Gold detector operates at 6.4kHz for maximum depth, 20kHz for general detecting and the super sensitive 60kHz to find the smallest gold nuggets. So, compared to many other makes and models, the frequency range of 3 kHz to 18.75 kHz available on the X-Terra is not very big. That is why I don't think, as a coin shooter or relic hunter, you will see much difference between the 3 kHz , 7.5 kHz and 18.75 kHz.

Now, the DD vs Concentric configuration is a different story. I am convinced that DD designed coils will perform better in moderate to highly mineralized soil. However, as in your part of the State, I don't worry about highly mineralized soil conditions. Frankly, I can't make any distinction in performance stability between DD and concentric. For me,, it just requires a little different sweeping action and pinpointing technique. In my opinion, I find the concentrics will hunt a bit deeper, due to the narrower electro-magnetic field introduced into the soil.

As to whether to add the 10.5-inch DD coil at 7.5 kHz, I don't think you will see much difference in detection depth, compared to the 9-inch concentric at the same frequency. I think that any additional depth that you might realize due to the larger coil size will be offset by the additional depth achieved by the concentric design. If I had to chose between the 10.5 DD and the stock 9-inch concentric, I would chose the stock coil. I ain't trying to put a damper on Minelab's coil sales. But, if they end up with the same depth, the lighter weight and better balanced concentric coil (compared to the 10.5 DD coil) I chose the stock coil.

With that said, I can see a use for the elliptical coil design. But, at the current 18.75 kHz, I recognize I will have to set the sensitivity a bit lower than with the 7.5 or 3 kHz coils. And to me, setting the sensitivity lower, to compensate for a coil that is more sensitive, don't really accomplish much for depth of detection. But as you said, it does allow you to cover a bit more ground, and is easier to work into some places that are difficult for the 9-inch round concentrics.

In a perfect world, I would like to see Minelab introduce the elliptical coil in a 7.5 kHz operating frequency. Right after, of course, a 6-inch coil operating at 7.5 kHz. Who knows? Maybe 2007 will be the year for getting a whole arsenal of new coils!!!

HH

Randy
 
Thanks for taking the time again, Randy. I can always depend on you for excellent Minelab advice.

I've got an acquaintance from another forum, who lives in Burlington IA. He is detecting "lights out" with his X50 & 10.5 DD, finding old coins galore. He credits it to research and this coil. Keeps telling me I need one.:argue:

I'll do some fun experimenting with the 5 x 10, but sure not giving up on the stock coil; I like what it does.

CYA:bouncy:
 
Hey all, I am also from IA. I have just sent off for my new 70 and just learning the site. I will be a newbe this spring but have used an extreme in the past.
 
[quote smithboy]Hey all, I am also from IA. I have just sent off for my new 70 and just learning the site. I will be a newbe this spring but have used an extreme in the past.[/quote]

Hey Smithboy: Welcome to Findmall's XTerra Forum. Nice to see another Iowan aboard.:clapping:

If you take some time to go back in this forum you'll pick up a lot of great information. Lots of savvy people here that want everyone to do well with their Minelabs.

I went out today for 3 1/2 hours, and can you believe it:

The ground is thawed and mellow for easy digging.
Is this Iowa or what????:wacko:
 
Digger posted good advice. As far as the DD 10.5 coil (like the 5 x 10), you can detect a larger portion of real estate with each swing due to the detecting path the coil makes. I have both coils and haven't put the concentric back on yet. The 5 x 10 really is sensitive to small items and sees them very well. With that 10.5 I found a semi-old broach really deep in an old yard. I probably shouldn't have found it but I did. As far as extra weight, I haven't noticed enough to make a difference. The only problem I have with the 10.5 DD is that I can't get my detector to fit into my bag fully assembled anymore. Other than that it is my preferred coil.
 
I too have been waiting on the small coil for my XT70 and hopefully, they will come out with an elliptical coil as well in the 7.5khz range. HH John
 
for additional coils. Probably the only people still using Exterras have learned to get along without another coil. There are probably a lot of $900 investments in the back of the closet. And they may stay there.
 
But if anyone bought an X-Terra because of what "might be", instead of "what is", they bought it for the wrong reason. It may not be the total package to all of you. But, I see it as a well balanced, lightweight, easily learned, notch detector with way-above-average depth of detection, separation and discrimination characteristics, flexible programmability, and user friendly audio and visual indicators. I admit, I would like to see a smaller coil for target separation. And, I would like to see it in the 7.5 kHz frequency so I can use it on any of my X-Terras. But I am willing to wait until Minelab is confident that any new coil will do what it is designed to do, before they commercially release it.
Some of us may have become spoiled with the number of coils available with our Whites or Tesoro detectors. But, we must keep in mind that all the uMax detectors use the same coils. And the Tejon, Vaquero and Cibola use the same coils as the current Lobo. Whites is building their new detectors with the same coil frequencies as their previous models. The Matrix M6 used the same coils as the MXT and DFX. The XLT uses the same coil as the XLPro, QXT,IDX, Classic III, 6000 series and 5900 series. It don't take near the R&D to build a detector coil the same size, shape and frequency as a coil you have building for 10 years. Or one that is used by all your detector models. That don't mean Whites or Tesoro have bad coils. It just helps me understand why a new coil, operating at new frequencies, with a micro-chip inside, might take a little longer than some expected. HH Randy
 
I could get along with the stock 9" concentric. As Randy and many others like Mike B have pointed out, in the right conditions it is d**n deep on coins and other high conductors. The problem with the Xterras is that what is deep is not always best when the going gets tough as most here are well aware of. Just like with Whites and there 950 stock coil its all about depth. Marketers know that depth sells and the 9" concentric coil was pushed thru by someone at Minelab with only that in mind and this despite what some of the prototype testers were saying about it as a stock coil. What irks me about all this is that the problems of slow response and target masking with the stock coil were well known from the start and ML still has not given us a 7.5 Khz coil in a smaller concentric or DD design to solve it. Minelabs reputation as a manufacturer of innovative technology is on the line because of this "marketing blunder" that still has not been fixed.
Tom
 
another machine mostly. When I use the Exterra I mostly use the 5X9 coil. I would prefer to operate at 7.5 kHz.
 
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