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question for the xterra owners

G

Goes4ever

New member
ok you guys know I am thinking about getting a x-terra. I am curious what the detector would do in this situation that I experienced yesterday. I use an ace250 and I went over a target and my display showed iron then zinc penny, bouncing back and forth between the two as I went over the target.

I decided to dig it because I know IH pennies show up as zinc on my ace. Anyway there was a rusty nail and an IH penny laying in the hole beside each other.

What would I see with the x-terra in this situation? I am wondering with the iron mask what would happen? would both targets get cancelled out if they were close?

thanks
 
the ih's ive found show from 26 to 30. I don't know why but the first one I found was a solid 26 , the next two were 30. what you are seeing with your ace is what is called target separation. the 70 does this very well. I can't tell how many times I would get a good number reading then bad, then back to the good number. when I get those signals I slow down. because if the good signal is constant, cross it and then I dig it..
If the iron target is to big sometime it will cover it out. what i do if there is a lot of iron i hunt in all metal and listen really close to the sounds. if you can handle all of the sounds coming into the detector you will find those signals the other machines lose because of the iron.
GH :detecting:
 
The ones you need a response from are the ones that have used both the X-terra and 250, that way maybe you could decide if you want to try an X-terra.
Now I haven't used the 250 but I can tell from the little time I have had the Xterra and especially with the 6"DD coil that it will keep up with or beat any detector on the market as far as hunting in nails.
Now there is nothing wrong with 2 of my other detectors I am going to sell but I think the XT 70 is that good.
 
Here's a video on the X-Terra-70

http://www.mlotv.com/view/118/minelab-x-terra-70-dvd/

Don't know if it will answer your question or not.
 
I guess maybe I am wording my question wrong guys, will the iron masking make it miss a target such as the indian penny if they are close together? with the ace I had it in coin mode, but it still shows on the screen iron but just makes no sound, and it bounced quickly from iron to zinc penny.

does that make more sense? Basically it was telling me both were under the coil. Not sure if I am wording my question right...lol
 
Iron mask on the Xterra is a feature on the prospecing mode. In standard disc mode, you have a choice of running disc or using all metal and go by the tones. About the nail and IH, I would say it would give a non-ferrous tone and probably a non-ferrous reading but according to ground conditions and exact placement of the nail and IH it may vary on the ID. Detectors tend to average the signal from 2 really close by objects.
You seem to be very interested in the XT70, give it a try or visit a dealer, go to a detector club. If you don't try it out then you will never know for sure as all you have to go by are others' opinions.
You will need a smaller coil in more trashy areas.
 
Found another site for X-Terra users...machine specific forum:

http://www.minelabowners.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=199

Maybe others there will have knowledge to pass on as well.
 
and eventually sold it with the std and sniper coil. A good machine for the price. The X-70 is in a whole other category and should be as it costs more. Use the X-70 with the 6" DD coil in a trashy area and the other coils in various applications and you will forget the ACE. I haven't used the prospecting mode and iron mask except to size targets. Have been pounding a site with the 6" DD in All Metal but will detect in Prospecting mode at some point when the targets get really scarce. It is going to take a long time and lots of playing with this machine to learn all the nuances. BTW, the posters below are, as expected, correct. I have pulled multiple targets out of the same hole or very close to each other with all my detectors(as I am sure have also the posters here who have way more experience than me) with varying audible and TID signals. If there is ANY indication of something worth digging, it is coming out.I have found lots of good targets with jumpy signals. There is info on iron masking on the Explorer and Sov forums also.
 
In moderate soil it doesn't matter what detector you use you will get a mixed TID and/or tone ID. The iron mask is used in prospecting mode and would not come into play while hunting coins. If you use the prospecting mode when there is a nail next to an Indian you will most likely just hear a larger target response. Is the 70 better than the 250? - Yes. Is the 250 a nice detector? Yes There are some used ones for sale from 550 to 600 with extra coils. Is that a good buy? Yes Is the target audio different on the two detectors? Yes. The 70 has a modulated tone and the 250 does not. If your not looking for nuggets and not hunting the salt beaches then the 50 is all you need.
 
Pete in MI said:
Found another site for X-Terra users...machine specific forum:

http://www.minelabowners.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=199

Maybe others there will have knowledge to pass on as well.
Click to expand...
thanks Pete, I actually signed up there last week.
 
n/t
 
that's an endorsement that I gotta believe is true! :thumbup:

Tom
 
Tom, after reading the archives here I noticed that you were using the XT70 with the tracking on in iron trash. I got to thinking about that and decided to take it one step farther. While sweeping back and forth over some nails and locked the GB to see what the GB number was, it was about 38. Here my ground balances at about 18 so I started investigating with higher manual GB numbers, working with nails/coins to see how much better the response was. I can see improvement over a correctly set ground balance with higher GB settings. Now I don't know yet if this will cause more problems than while working in iron trashy areas but so far it looks promising. If this proves worthwhile, it was your idea :biggrin:
 
Gary runs a nice site. I've been a member there for several years myself. HH Randy
 
The Coinstrike performed much better around iron if you used tracking to set the ground balance and then locked it. It actually helped if the detector saw some iron while tracking. I don't have any idea why that was so but it made a big difference. While waiting for the X70 to arrive Barnacle Bill had sent me his X50 to try out. After getting the 70 from ML I compared the two on some targets near iron. Low and behold for the 70 to give the same good response on dimes I had to use the same trick I learned from the Coinstrike. When using the auto ground balance procedure over a clean area the 70 would not get the same quality audio hits on targets near iron as the X50. Again using tracking made the difference. :)

Tom
 
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