I'm sure the Garrett AT Pro is gonna be a fantastic machine, but am I wrong in assuming that my Compadre can do most of the same things-ID features excluded? I can find coins under nails and iron trash BETTER than my Silver umax and other name brands, not to mention the fact that it will pick up a small 14 kt gold chain while doing so. Sure would hate to spend all that money when my Compadre can find a lot of the same things.
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Question for Monte or Compadre specialist.....
- Thread starter slingshot
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that while I do not have a Compadre... I was wondering if it wouldn't do the same thing that my Omega-8000 does with more simplicity and cheaper.
I do want to try the AT-Pro, and I want' to try the G2 but I am getting ready to really simplify my detectors. Frankly, some of them have so frustrated me that I find myself not detecting nearly as much... I have once again become excited about my hobby, just by deciding to get rid of several of them. I plan to put that money into maybe a Compadre, the AT-PRO (which excites me for it's waterproof housing... I can use that), and the G2 for it's reported iron "see through" (well the GBSE, but the G2 is supossed to be an enhanced GBSE)... I can use both of those. If the AT was not waterproof I wouldn't give it a 2nd look, I am not at all convinced that it has twice the depth of an ACE-250. I've never used any Garrett but I have read reports of the depth of the 250, and while not the deepest detector I believe it will get a dime at 9"... they must be comparing an 8" concentric coil in minerals on the 250 to the big DD coil on the AT... I guess in minerals a 11" (or so..) coil might double the depth of an 8" concentric coil... but you'll have to show me (I am not from Missouri... but I know someone from Missouri) that the AT has twice the depth of the 250.
Sorry to ramble.... all I meant to say it I bet the Compadre would nicely replace the O8K... not as much info but with experience probably a more confident TID by the user... and it might make you dig a few more pulltabs... but more pulltabs means more brass relics and more gold... though most brass buttons hit very slightly under a nickel and sqyaretabs hit very slightly above a nickel... and old nickels hit just under a new Jefferson... win/win!! Dig more and win but if the Compadre is anything like the Tejon, with use a Compadre user will have a pretty good idea what is under the coil before digging... with fewer things on a screen discouraging recovery.
Assumptions will cause you to lose treasure. In sales it is called "qualifying a call"... it means the people you are certain will be a waste of time will receive you well and want just what you are selling while those you are certain will be an easy sell will not give you the time of day... I learned that in 2 yrs of sales back in the 1980s... it is the same with detecting... if you dig enough targets sooner or later you will be completely surprised and baffled by something you recover.
I'd love to have a Compadre and have been meaning to buy one for over a year but have been too busy with complicated detectors that are no fun (V3)...
Have a good day!
Julien
I do want to try the AT-Pro, and I want' to try the G2 but I am getting ready to really simplify my detectors. Frankly, some of them have so frustrated me that I find myself not detecting nearly as much... I have once again become excited about my hobby, just by deciding to get rid of several of them. I plan to put that money into maybe a Compadre, the AT-PRO (which excites me for it's waterproof housing... I can use that), and the G2 for it's reported iron "see through" (well the GBSE, but the G2 is supossed to be an enhanced GBSE)... I can use both of those. If the AT was not waterproof I wouldn't give it a 2nd look, I am not at all convinced that it has twice the depth of an ACE-250. I've never used any Garrett but I have read reports of the depth of the 250, and while not the deepest detector I believe it will get a dime at 9"... they must be comparing an 8" concentric coil in minerals on the 250 to the big DD coil on the AT... I guess in minerals a 11" (or so..) coil might double the depth of an 8" concentric coil... but you'll have to show me (I am not from Missouri... but I know someone from Missouri) that the AT has twice the depth of the 250.
Sorry to ramble.... all I meant to say it I bet the Compadre would nicely replace the O8K... not as much info but with experience probably a more confident TID by the user... and it might make you dig a few more pulltabs... but more pulltabs means more brass relics and more gold... though most brass buttons hit very slightly under a nickel and sqyaretabs hit very slightly above a nickel... and old nickels hit just under a new Jefferson... win/win!! Dig more and win but if the Compadre is anything like the Tejon, with use a Compadre user will have a pretty good idea what is under the coil before digging... with fewer things on a screen discouraging recovery.
Assumptions will cause you to lose treasure. In sales it is called "qualifying a call"... it means the people you are certain will be a waste of time will receive you well and want just what you are selling while those you are certain will be an easy sell will not give you the time of day... I learned that in 2 yrs of sales back in the 1980s... it is the same with detecting... if you dig enough targets sooner or later you will be completely surprised and baffled by something you recover.
I'd love to have a Compadre and have been meaning to buy one for over a year but have been too busy with complicated detectors that are no fun (V3)...
Have a good day!
Julien
Thanks, jbow,
Had considered a Tejon myself-sounds like a super depth detector. My problem was that I was mostly a totlotter and didn't have enough time to research places that a Tejon would excel in. That Compadre, while not super deep, is simply unbelievable in the first 4 in. of the ground. It's not that it's got a lot of features like other good detectors, it just is THOROUGH, as one user said. And the sounds are there once you get used to them. I've had to rely on the small sounds vs. large sounds to keep from looking for objects I have trouble SEEING at my age-they were so small. Of course, I could turn up the discrimination a tad and not have to worry about some of them. At the same time, I am no scoffer at new technology and plan to retire in the next year and it seems Tesoro is happy with just what they have now-and there's no problem there as I probably won't outlive my Compadre. Sad for the next generation, though.
Had considered a Tejon myself-sounds like a super depth detector. My problem was that I was mostly a totlotter and didn't have enough time to research places that a Tejon would excel in. That Compadre, while not super deep, is simply unbelievable in the first 4 in. of the ground. It's not that it's got a lot of features like other good detectors, it just is THOROUGH, as one user said. And the sounds are there once you get used to them. I've had to rely on the small sounds vs. large sounds to keep from looking for objects I have trouble SEEING at my age-they were so small. Of course, I could turn up the discrimination a tad and not have to worry about some of them. At the same time, I am no scoffer at new technology and plan to retire in the next year and it seems Tesoro is happy with just what they have now-and there's no problem there as I probably won't outlive my Compadre. Sad for the next generation, though.
Julien - The Compadre is a great machine for certain situations, and it is excellent at seeing through iron and trash, but it won't do the same thing your Omega does. Besides the obvious advantage of excellent and accurate TID with the Omega, depth is going to be notably less. The Compadre is a lower gain machine - 5" is about max with the 5.75 coil Compadre. Maybe slightly more with the older style Compadre with the 7" coil.
From Missouri or not, I wouldn't come close to believing 9" on a dime with the Ace 250 unless I saw it. As you know, some will really exaggerate depth.
From Missouri or not, I wouldn't come close to believing 9" on a dime with the Ace 250 unless I saw it. As you know, some will really exaggerate depth.
Hey how you doin guys?----Yeah, I feel like I might actually live (from all this back/leg problem)--finally! 
-------That's what the wife was saying Randy--the Silver & Bandito II umax would do everything we would want.------Also wouldn't the Compadre & the Pro pointer (which I use) "cross talk"?----They both operate on 12khz.----------Del
-------That's what the wife was saying Randy--the Silver & Bandito II umax would do everything we would want.------Also wouldn't the Compadre & the Pro pointer (which I use) "cross talk"?----They both operate on 12khz.----------DelHi Del
We were talk'n on the phone couple of weeks ago about cross talking, I don't think the detector will "cross talk" much with the Pro pointer if the detector coil is pointed far away from the Pro pointer. So that excuse to not buy the Compadre does'nt hold water. I was thin'n you had bought another non
We were talk'n on the phone couple of weeks ago about cross talking, I don't think the detector will "cross talk" much with the Pro pointer if the detector coil is pointed far away from the Pro pointer. So that excuse to not buy the Compadre does'nt hold water. I was thin'n you had bought another non
jbow said:
... The Compadre I have has a 9x8 coil hard wired in. I've tweeked the sensitivity pot up to where is crackles most of the time. With the coil very close to teh ground it quiets a bit but still pops and cracks. When it hits a target it hits solid and quiets down then allows very repeatable re-sweeps of the target. Even with the the bigger coil and tweeked sensitivity, the best it will do on a quarter in mild ground is around 8 inches ... maybe 9 on a very good day with a very iffy signal with the coil scraping the ground. As ground mineralization increases, depth starts to go away, although the Compadre does not seem to be nearly as sensitive to being spot on with ground balance as the Tejon likes to be to maximize the detector's depth.
It is very sensitive to small stuff. Unlike the Cibola and Tejon, it is deeper on quarters than it is on nickles. Dimes are about the same depth as nickles with the Compadre. The Tejon and Cibola ... and probably the Vaquero, but I haven't tried one ... are deeper on nickles than quarters.
Compadre discriminates exceptionally cleanly. It also masks good targets in the vicinity of discriminated out targets; but masking depends on relative orientation, relative depth and size.
I am thinking the 7 inch coil is the best overall compromise for most of my hunting with this little charmer, but can see why they are now delivered with the 5.75 inch coil; to ensure it produces well in virtually all conditions.
It is no depth demon, but it is respectable, particularly considering it's price.
It is so light that I grabbed it to go out and get some sun when under the weather with the flu and not wanting to do anything except get some sun. That flu ridden hunt with the Compadre got me a very nice, very unexpected Indian Head penny.
Julian, you should try one for kicks!
Cheers,
tvr
Yeah, I think Monte recommended the Bandido over the Compadre and I pretty much trust his decisions-they've been very accurate. Back then, I was an ID user and thought Tesoro was a toy and didn't get one. We live and learn. Sometimes I still give in and grab a metered machine.
dixiedigger57
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Does anybody know if there is a real difference in the Old Amigo and the Compadre except the shaft and box design?
know that for sure. Maybe ask support about that thing Yes, the Amigo II is "old" but not as old as the Amigo (original) that was offered from 9/'81 thru 12/'85.
I don't know the absolute answer to your question other than to say that I never saw a real difference in field performance between them ... as long as internal settings were the same. I didn't like the wobble of the Amigo II that was present in several models I handled and preferred the
I don't know the absolute answer to your question other than to say that I never saw a real difference in field performance between them ... as long as internal settings were the same. I didn't like the wobble of the Amigo II that was present in several models I handled and preferred the
I think the AT Pro will be a very good move for Garrett because they have been rather idle for several years. The Ace 250 sure helped, but it was certain they would need to make a bold move of some sort. Having said that, I think the AT pro will be a very 'tested' or 'compared' detector for a while and, while some will find a home with folks who like it, many will show up on the buy-and-sell forums. There still isn't a 'perfect' detector and I have long felt that a very avid detectorist, not just an occasional-use hobbyist but devoted detectorist, will always have at least two detectors in their arsenal that compliment each other. Maybe even three or four, but at least two for sure.slingshot said:
As for the Compadre's performance ability compared with what has been displayed with the AT Pro, I will say that yes, the Compadre will do many things the AT Pro can do, however it will fall short if used in 'bad ground' due to the preset GB. It lacks variable Sensitivity, too. It also doesn't have the Tone ID of some models on the market, or the Saturated Audio (Garrett refers to is as Standard Binary Audio like their Ace 250 and others or the Teknetics Delta and others), but the Compadre does produce a more typical or conventional audio response that is close to that of the good old All Metal sound. Close, because there is no Threshold audio to listen to as the Compadre is silent-search. But it reports with an increase and decrease audio as it approaches and departs a target, peaking when centered over the target (which is more similar to the AT Pro's "pro" mode for Proportional Audio) and provides varying responses based upon the coil's position to the target.
I've owned many Compadres through the years but have sold or traded them all away. Why did I have them? Because they were a simple, affordable detector that worked well in iron infested sites, and they used to come with the 7" concentric coil which has been a long-time favorite of mine with Tesoro's since mid-'83. So, why did I part with them? Because I like to hunt a variety of site, and most have some 'bad ground' like here in NW Oregon. Due to the ground mineral challenges, I prefer to have operator control over the Ground Balance setting. I also like to have a Pinpoint function, which can let me hear changes in the ground and I can update the GB as needed. There are times when I prefer to hunt in a Threshold-based All Metal mode, too. With these modern day times I have to admit that while I do not always use visual display info, it is nice to have it there when I'd like to refer to it.
One of the things the Compadre does offer, or actually two things, is that it has an ED-180 Discriminate acceptance range and I can carefully adjust to just gently reject an iron nail or other problem trash type at a site. Tesoro models with ED-120 Discrimination will usually do well in iron nail infested sites, too, but if I have control over the discriminate setting I can opt to search in an all metal accept Disc. mode at places like very mineralized river beaches (we have them here!) of the dark sand in volleyball courts, etc.
I haven't been a big fan of the Silverslingshot said: