Question for Golden uMax users.

[CliffHanger]

Can you tune a Golden uMax to find gold rings/jewelry as well as clad coins and silver coins and jewelry while at the same time reject foil, pull tabs and bottle caps/screw-tops?

Thank you for your time

CliffHanger

 

[Rustyjuan]

anytime you notch out pulltabs or similar items you will always miss out on jewelry that falls in the same range.

 

[hrsetrder]

If you are not digging pulltabs , then you are not digging rings. You can spend as much $$ as you like on a machine.

 

[Mike Hillis]

Hi Cliffhanger.

The Golden's notch works this way....

You have the Narrow and Wide Notch switch settings. This switch affects the high side of the notch and it is a fixed setting.

When you switch it to Narrow, you are setting the high side of notch to just above the square tab disc setting. Then the Notch Width dial allows you to adjust the lower end of the notch window, from square tabs only at a minimum setting (fully clockwise) to high foil at a maximum setting (fully counterclockwise). Yes it is possible to fully notch out all tabs and nickels and the very high foil signals. This Notch width setting for the lower side is very adjustable. You can set it to where a tab target is fully rejected or broken, or a cut off short sound.

The Wide notch switch setting moves the high end of the notch to include zinc cents. So you get a lot of adjustability and I love using the Golden in trash with a widescan coil because of this. I can preset my notch width dial to give a me a nice full signal on a nickel, but a short signal on the round tabs that respond close to nickels, and reject all the other tabs. If needed, a simple flick of the switch rejects nearly all the bottle caps.

Maybe that helps you some

Tones rule

 

[Tinfoil]

To set it like you do in your last paragraph so I will have a good signal on the nickles. Where do you set the notch at to do what you have in the last paragraph. Can you still get the buffs, sheild and silver war nickles with it set like you have it in the last paragraph. I know I don't want much do I. The sheilds, V nickles and buff down here come in at tinfoil. The war nickles come in around round pull tab or just a little above. Also I want to know what kind of depth are you getting withe the Round DD coil (widescan as they call it) and what size is it. I have a 4" coil and a Shadow 9" coil along with te regular coil. I sure would like the DD if it is worth it. BTW the Golden is one of my favorite machines especially in the trash with the 4" coil. I can run the Golden wide open in Boost and it will hit that 8" dime I have on edge down here. I guess I just don't have much mineralization in my yard or around here but it is that salt and sulfer salinty that just destorys the copper and nickles down here. Ok so thanks again and like you "Tones Rule" except for my Miss Sweetie #006 Shadow X5. Later Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[CliffHanger]

Thank you all for the feed back. Especially Mike Hillis.

I use a LOBO to coin hunt and tune it to max discrimination. I find silver rings, also copper, brass and other metal rings galore. But no gold rings. The upside is, I will not dig one pull tab or one piece of foil. But again, no gold. Occasionally I will pick up a bottle cap that is shallow with top up. If the cap is turned over with the corrugated edge up the Lobo will not sound off!? I will also once in a while pick up a screw-cap. It depends on what metal it is made of. Aluminum cans whine with a high pitch as do the tops/caps and are easy to distinguish and ignore. When coin shooting in max disc I will not find nickels nor zinc pennies but that doesn't bother me in the least.
Five of us attended our bimonthly club hunt at a local high school on Sunday 6/4/6. All but me used the same model of one of the most popular brands of detector. In a little under the three hours of the hunt one of our new members found 28 coins. Another guy found thirty something coins. Another found 48 coins and one found 57 coins. I found 92. And remember I didn't find nickels or zinc pennies. No rings or jewelry was found by any of us. The difference in the number of coins found is the other guys all have to stop over everything their detector hits on and then have to take time to analyze it. Then, after their machine says maybe this is a coin they are forced to dig much junk that turns out not to be coins after all. I watch them waste lots of time over and over again. When my Lobo howls, nine times out of ten it is a coin and sometimes a ring, though not gold. Tops, caps and cans are very easy to recognize and ignore. I find all kinds of items and the best part is not one of them is a pull tab and very little junk is dug. Since I found out how to hunt coins with my Lobo, park pecking is now a pleasure instead of a chore simply because so much trash is now invisible. If I want to find gold jewelry with the Lobo I have to discriminate in the foil, pull tab, nickel area. That's fine when I'm in the mountains looking for gold and lots of junk isn't around but in town I not doing it. Digging garbage exasperates me. A gold ring is not worth a thousand pull tabs.
So, that is my question about the Golden uMax. Can they be set not to detect pull tabs and caps/tops and still find gold jewelry? Or can they get close? To those who say "If you aren't willing to dig pull tabs you don't deserve the gold." I say, "Why do metal detectors have discrimination?"

Thanks again

CliffHanger

PS ... Two metal detecting buddies were discussing a loose lady they knew. Don asked Jack.. "Did you see that diamond Gurty had tattooed to the inside of her thigh?" Jack replied.. "That ain't no diamond, it's only a pubic zirconium!"

 

[JB(MS)]

I have a Golden

 

[Mike Hillis]

Jerry,

This is my Golden Notch map. The numbers on the notch dial match a tab. That area marked on the notch width dial is the last place where that target GIVES a GOOD signal. Once you move past that, the signal begins to cut.

You see the 'B' (kinda looks like a '8'). The line to the right of that looking face on is where the nickel sounded good. The B stands for a broken nickle signal and that area is where the nickle starts to break up. If I'm skipping tabs and digging nickels, I'll set my notch to narrow and the width to 11:00. That will give me a smooth cut for nickels. Sometimes they will break if the ground is worse than normal. I also use the notch switch for broken, cut short signals to help me id which side of the notch they are coming from. If I'm hunting in Narrow but can't tell by the tone (the tone starts to break into the 2nd middle tone around this area) if the target is breakin on the low side of the notch or the high side, I flip it over to Wide to see if it goes silent. Silent would mean a high side signal and if the signal is still there, its a low side.

Maybe that will help. The ground will influence it some but its not hard to figure out what is going on.

HH

 

[Tinfoil]

n/t

 

[Mike Hillis]

Always like looking at treasure Motivates me to try to get in more detecting time.

Cliffhanger, the Golden will coin hunt just as well as your Lobo. One thing the golden does let you do is pick what gold range trash targets you want to dig based upon what you are interested in at the time. You can set it for foil range and silver, nor nickle range and silver, or round tab and silver, or ...you begin to get the picture

Always heard good things about the Lobo.

HH

Mike

 

[JB(MS)]

I've found coins deeper with the Golden with the 7 inch ShadowX2 coil than I did with the LST with the 8 inch coil. No question the LST was hotter on tiny nonferrous targets than the Golden, bet I dug a bushel basket full of tiny foil bits, but I don't remember digging any coin over 5-6 inches deep while using it. I bought the LST, along with the 3X7, standard 5X10 and 8 inch coils, to use for relic and jewelry hunting. It ground balance perfectly in the mild ground here and was stable with sensitivity maxed but it just didn't have the depth to compete with the CZ's and Barons. I never found any jewelry with it but it could easily hit tiny gold chains, like the one in the photo found with a Goldtrax Baron, in the tests I did with it, but had to be run at 0 discrimination and resulted in digging way too much trash.

I use the Goldtrax Baron in all metal mode for jewelry hunting now, it has staccato audio and an LED that lights when the coil is over iron or tiny foil. The necklace in the photo was in the iron range, gave the staccato audio and lit the LED but the staccato audio on tiny gold has a fluttery sound. Jbird calls it a "flatulent" sound. Whatever it's called it's a distinctive sound and lets you know there's something that needs to be investigated. The Goldtrax hits on gold rings with a quick, hard audio response, and also has variations in the all metal audio that allows some targets, pencil erasor bands and small foil, to be passed up. Bottlecaps give a distinctive response, and pinpoint big, but all tabs give the same response as gold rings. Not perfect but it's the best jewelry hunter I've used. The chain is 10k, penny for size reference.
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[Chuck@TreasureHut]

Hey Mike...you're right on it! And, I totally agree...TONES RULE!

 

[CliffHanger]

Great info in both your replies JB(MS). More infact than manufactures or dealers give. Perhaps I will grin and bare it and dig some junk to find some gold.. Nah.. not yet.

All the best and take care JB

CliffHanger

 

[Whimpster]

Mike...I dug this up from an old post...wondering what the penciled in setting are on the notch width dial on your Golden notch map....some I can read others are not that clear...I'd like to try to replicate some of your settings with my old tone golden.

Cheers Bob.

Jerry,

This is my Golden Notch map. The numbers on the notch dial match a tab. That area marked on the notch width dial is the last place where that target GIVES a GOOD signal. Once you move past that, the signal begins to cut.

You see the 'B' (kinda looks like a '8'). The line to the right of that looking face on is where the nickel sounded good. The B stands for a broken nickle signal and that area is where the nickle starts to break up. If I'm skipping tabs and digging nickels, I'll set my notch to narrow and the width to 11:00. That will give me a smooth cut for nickels. Sometimes they will break if the ground is worse than normal. I also use the notch switch for broken, cut short signals to help me id which side of the notch they are coming from. If I'm hunting in Narrow but can't tell by the tone (the tone starts to break into the 2nd middle tone around this area) if the target is breakin on the low side of the notch or the high side, I flip it over to Wide to see if it goes silent. Silent would mean a high side signal and if the signal is still there, its a low side.

Maybe that will help. The ground will influence it some but its not hard to figure out what is going on.

HH

 

[Whimpster]

Mike...I dug this up from an old post...wondering what the penciled in setting are on the notch width dial on your Golden notch map....some I can read others are not that clear...I'd like to try to replicate some of your settings with my old tone golden.

Cheers Bob.

Jerry,

This is my Golden Notch map. The numbers on the notch dial match a tab. That area marked on the notch width dial is the last place where that target GIVES a GOOD signal. Once you move past that, the signal begins to cut.

You see the 'B' (kinda looks like a '8'). The line to the right of that looking face on is where the nickel sounded good. The B stands for a broken nickle signal and that area is where the nickle starts to break up. If I'm skipping tabs and digging nickels, I'll set my notch to narrow and the width to 11:00. That will give me a smooth cut for nickels. Sometimes they will break if the ground is worse than normal. I also use the notch switch for broken, cut short signals to help me id which side of the notch they are coming from. If I'm hunting in Narrow but can't tell by the tone (the tone starts to break into the 2nd middle tone around this area) if the target is breakin on the low side of the notch or the high side, I flip it over to Wide to see if it goes silent. Silent would mean a high side signal and if the signal is still there, its a low side.

Maybe that will help. The ground will influence it some but its not hard to figure out what is going on.

HH

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[Mike Hillis]

n/t

 

[hihosilver]

Fresh batteries are a must for the Golden. Was out the other day just briefly with a new battery and got a very hard signal, thought for sure t was a quarter but dug a clad dime, about four inches down. Sensitivity was just below the red zone, disc set slightly above iron and the threshold was barely audible.

 

[Whimpster]

Thanks hihosilver...great tip

Fresh batteries are a must for the Golden. Was out the other day just briefly with a new battery and got a very hard signal, thought for sure t was a quarter but dug a clad dime, about four inches down. Sensitivity was just below the red zone, disc set slightly above iron and the threshold was barely audible.