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question about the coin TIDs

Goes4ever

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if I am reading Diggers TID chart correctly, silver dimes, halves, silver dollars, large cents etc....ALL come in at 12-43???

I don't get it? With the etrac I could tell the difference between a clad dime, and silver, half dollars aren't even close, neither is a silver dollar. Why would it be designed this way?

Hope I am reading something wrong here, can anyone help me out on this?
 
That was one the things I looked at when thicking about the CTX. I think Minelab needs to release a software patch that places the TIDs in a group like the TIDs on the E-trac and also correct the TID diferences when swapping modes. That just rediculous that they wopuld change from mode to mode.
 
On the ferrous coin and ground coin, the silver dollars register 12-40's when in high or low trash they read normal.
 
It is strange that the tid changes with the settings like that,I could understand if there was a frequency change like my Deus so I wonder what's up with that?
 
I honestly think the machine may be trying to read the ferrous properties of the larger coins and its is pulling down the reading, but I really don't know..
 
This is from Digger's post on the CTX3030 Classroom:

NOTE: this chart is comprised of TID readings from air-testing hundreds of coins with three different detectors, using the stock coils. Air tests are not necessarily representative of the TID numbers you will encounter in the field. Ground conditions, adjacent targets, angle that the coin is laying, sweep speed and other factors can (and will) affect your results. However, this information should provide a good basis for getting you started.
Remember, when you set specific target properties to be rejected, the detector still detects them. As such, you will be able to see each target's image in the SmartScreen. However, when rejected, the CTX 3030 will not provide an audio response on those targets. Instead, the audio will null out (target blanking) the Threshold. That is just one of the reasons we recommend setting your Threshold to a "barely audible" level. Also note that the TID numbers for BIG SILVER coins will vary with the Separation Settings. So when you build a new Search Mode, don't reject targets based solely on the TID numbers of one particular Separation mode. e.g. 12 FE line.

In discussing this with Minelab, we were provided the following explanation...

Ferrous-Coin Target Separation ID variation for silver dollars
Highly conductive targets, such as US silver dollars, can give different target IDs depending on which Target Separation feature is in use.
E.g. a US silver dollar in Low Trash Target Separation could give a Target ID of e.g. 01.41, whereas in Ferrous-Coin Target Separation the same coin could be e.g. 12.43.

As a target becomes more conductive (either due to its material properties, size or orientation) it begins to respond more and more like ground, therefore a trade-off must be made between too much falsing, due to ground, and the aggressiveness at which highly conductive targets can be correctly identified. The Ferrous-Coin signal processing could have been made to correctly ID highly conductive targets but there would be excessive falsing if there was any ground mineralisation (i.e. ground would respond like coins).
In the real world this would not be very helpful, so a more acceptable compromise has been implemented in the CTX 3030.
By making the Ferrous-Coin signal processing more robust against some (mildly) mineralised ground the correct target ID is limited up to a certain level of conductivity.

The net result of the conductivity limit for highly conductive targets, like a silver dollar, is their ID is shifted to the 12 Fe (12.xx) line, which is where most targets with coin-like characteristics are displayed. A further side effect of this conductivity limit is that there is a difference between the real received signal and the conductivity limited signal produced by the Ferrous-Coin processing. The difference between the two is interpreted by the detectors processing as a 'ghost' ferrous signal, which typically appears in the bottom right of the screen, just like a ferrous target.

Although the target ID between the Target Separation options for highly conductive targets is not consistent, these targets will still produce a target ID at the high end of the 12 Fe line representing a highly conductive coin-like target, which is highly likely to be recovered!

Target Audio
When using Ferrous-Coin, in the example above, if the 01.41 segment was discriminated (rejected), such as when using High Trash Search Mode Pattern 1, then the detector audio will blank, even though the target ID generated is in the accepted area of the screen. This occurs because the Ferrous-Coin Target Separation signal processing is performed in a separate processing stream than the audio signal. Therefore if hunting for silver dollars, or similar highly conductive targets, this area of the discrimination screen would need to be opened (accepted), to hear these targets.
Using the Silver or Coins Search Modes Pattern 1 are good examples of this.

Ground-Coin
Also note that similar Target ID limitations and audio performance occur when using the Ground-Coin Target Separation feature.

Learning the different behaviours of each Target Separation function and in which circumstances it is best to use them will ensure you achieve the optimum performance from your CTX 3030.
 
I think it all depends on the ground you are hunting. These are my TID for most of the areas Im hunting...


Barber dime 12-43, 12-44, 12-45
Other silver dimes 12-45, 12-46
Silver quarters 12-46 12-47, 12-48
Silver half 1-45
Clad dimes 12-43, 12-44


There are also variations like 14-45, 16-45, 9-45, 17-45 etc/
 
jimzilla said:
I think it all depends on the ground you are hunting. These are my TID for most of the areas Im hunting...


Barber dime 12-43, 12-44, 12-45
Other silver dimes 12-45, 12-46
Silver quarters 12-46 12-47, 12-48
Silver half 1-45
Clad dimes 12-43, 12-44


There are also variations like 14-45, 16-45, 9-45, 17-45 etc/
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Jim with those readings what Target Separation were you using?? We have tested the Half and $1US coins multiple times and the Target Separation settings is what is causing the difference.. by your readings you posted I could say by our tests you are in a high or low trash setting and not in F/C or G/C? right? What I am getting at is ground and soil can cause minute differences but not the 12-41,42 vs 01-38,40 where the big silver hits where the smaller silver does, that he is asking about..
 
Did you get a CTX Terry? It's such an awesome machine! My etrac is now used as a stand to dry my wet clothes after the wash! :tongue:

In low trash/high trash setting the ctx3030 has the same target ID as the etrac. 11-47 on quarters and the half dollar I dug was 02-46 to 01-47

The ferrous coin setting is amazing in iron loaded sights. I've dug coins by watching the tagged trace only an getting nothing, but grunting as audio from all 4 ways. It's really cool.
 
Jressman said:
Did you get a CTX Terry? It's such an awesome machine! My etrac is now used as a stand to dry my wet clothes after the wash! :tongue:

In low trash/high trash setting the ctx3030 has the same target ID as the etrac. 11-47 on quarters and the half dollar I dug was 02-46 to 01-47

The ferrous coin setting is amazing in iron loaded sights. I've dug coins by watching the tagged trace only an getting nothing, but grunting as audio from all 4 ways. It's really cool.

no I did not get one, I am in such a slump, I doubt I will even get one. I have been in such a dry spell for 6-8 weeks that upgrading is not gonna help me. There are no more old public spots anywhere close to me. I have been pounding everything for 5 yrs close to me, no big old parks, and I have door knocked almost non stop for 5 yrs. All I can wait for now is for the crops to come off so I can get back into fields. At least there is still MANY virgin field sites left in my area. As of now I have to drive an hour away to get to public spots I haven't hit, and money is super tight now, and spending all that gas is not possible now.
 
I also didn't get one I'm still pretty much on the fence too many problems although they seem to be fixing much of these but I've been hunting with a couple of my buddies that have them and we've been checking targets with the E track and 3030 and I can still pick up most of what he can except for the coins that are really really buried in iron nails when I use my tornado coil I can get just as much depth as the CTX and sometimes quite a bit more just depends on the soil. I in no way bad mouthing the CTX 3030 I have seen him pull coins out that my E track won't but those crazy numbers in different modes drives me crazy you just get used to E track numbers and you know what you're getting before you dig most of the time. Now I know this is not an E track and maybe that's what bothers me the most about it I'm thinking for the extra $1500 I like my E track better right now, everybody keep up the good work and I hope you all find everything that you're looking for congratulations to you all...:cheers:
 
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