millingtime
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Sold the mxt and bought new se pro just having hard time figuring it out! any secrets,maybe settings?????? I'm finding clad but nothing old.I know i need to switch on the patience!!!!! just getting frustrated
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PULLING WHATS LEFT MY HAIR OUT:confused:
- Thread starter millingtime
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Millingtime, the explorers (of any of the generations of them) are VERY sound specific. Unlike other machines, and other brands, where printed instructions will tell a person how to do it, and a few air tests will cement the procedure, the Explorer is much different. Since it's got such a wide array of tooty-fluty sounds, which tell so much, you simply have to have someone show you. No amount of printed instructions (or tips/advice you can read on a forum) will do you any good. It would be like this:
If you asked someone "please describe the sound of C major to me, in printed text". It can't be done. It has to be heard/seen. Printed text can not convey a sound. So it's the same for the Explorers. I too tore my hair out, and couldn't understand how people were saying this was the latest greatest Whites killer (I couldn't debate their results in the field!). Finally, in disgust, after thinking "this is nuts! Everything sounds the same!", I met up with a proficient Explorer user in the field. This guy was effortlessly pulling silver dimes from the turf routinely at 8" and sometimes deeper! But to me, everything sounded like a flock of sick geese! But after having him flag a few suspected deep silver type turf signals, and watching the way he swung/wiggled over them, and after he pulls out his headphone jack to show me the sound he's trying to isolate, only THEN did the "lights go on" for me.
There is a totally different swing/wiggle technique for the Explorer, verses your old MXT. And the sounds are totally backwards too. Ie.: a "good" sound on your MXT, may not necessarily be what you're wanting on the Explorer, and vice versa.
So your best bet is to hook up with a proficient Explorer user (ie.: not just a sand box hunter, but someone who routinely comes in with the oldies and deepies). Have him flag some signals, both good and bad, and watch what he's doing, how he's swinging, what he's hearing, etc. And if he says "I'd pass this one", ask why. If he says "I'd chase this one", ask why. And you might even consider a headphone splitter (available at Radio shack) for this.
If you asked someone "please describe the sound of C major to me, in printed text". It can't be done. It has to be heard/seen. Printed text can not convey a sound. So it's the same for the Explorers. I too tore my hair out, and couldn't understand how people were saying this was the latest greatest Whites killer (I couldn't debate their results in the field!). Finally, in disgust, after thinking "this is nuts! Everything sounds the same!", I met up with a proficient Explorer user in the field. This guy was effortlessly pulling silver dimes from the turf routinely at 8" and sometimes deeper! But to me, everything sounded like a flock of sick geese! But after having him flag a few suspected deep silver type turf signals, and watching the way he swung/wiggled over them, and after he pulls out his headphone jack to show me the sound he's trying to isolate, only THEN did the "lights go on" for me.
There is a totally different swing/wiggle technique for the Explorer, verses your old MXT. And the sounds are totally backwards too. Ie.: a "good" sound on your MXT, may not necessarily be what you're wanting on the Explorer, and vice versa.
So your best bet is to hook up with a proficient Explorer user (ie.: not just a sand box hunter, but someone who routinely comes in with the oldies and deepies). Have him flag some signals, both good and bad, and watch what he's doing, how he's swinging, what he's hearing, etc. And if he says "I'd pass this one", ask why. If he says "I'd chase this one", ask why. And you might even consider a headphone splitter (available at Radio shack) for this.
dirt doctor
Well-known member
The Explorers are everything they say they are ( except light ) . Trust me if you are ever fortunate enough to find a spot that hasn't been hunted to death by pro's with deep seeking machines It wouldn't take you long to figure out what silver sounds like .Owning
an Explorer is a continuing learning process .Hang in there you have to learn to crawl before you can walk .Actually a slow "crawl"
with an Explorer isn't a bad thing .
( this guy is swinging way to fast ) .
H H ,
George
an Explorer is a continuing learning process .Hang in there you have to learn to crawl before you can walk .Actually a slow "crawl"
with an Explorer isn't a bad thing .
( this guy is swinging way to fast ) .H H ,
George
take your time...swing very slow...do NOT worry about anybody's settings right now....LEAVE it in the factory presets...pay close attention to the barrage of sounds you hear...do NOT try too much too fast...and have FUN. These Explorers and E-Tracs are more than capable of hitting 8"+ deep coins right out of the box in the factory preset mode.
Once you have quite a few hours on it...and have familiarized yourself with the "language" it speaks...then you can start to piddle with settings if need be.
Once you have quite a few hours on it...and have familiarized yourself with the "language" it speaks...then you can start to piddle with settings if need be.
Chris(SoCenWI)
Well-known member
Here's something to try. If you are hunting parks that everyone else with much more experience has already hunted coins will be VERY few and far between. You will become frustrated.
And it you are hunting an area that is littered with trash. You will become frustrated.
Try find some 1940s-50s-60s tract housing and try get permission there. Better yet if you live in such a house, or have friends and family that you can ask. Generally older houses will have older coins but will have attracted other MDer's over the years AND will have been resided/roofed/trash burned over the years and will have lots of iron and other junk to deal with.
Newer housing suffers from neither of the above problems but will still hold some silver coins, and wheats, at reasonable depths, without nearly as much trash.
Finding stuff is a real confidence builder. It will be some time before you get proficient enough to pull a seated coin from 9 inches between 17 nails. But it can be done if you keep at it. There are many years of proof of this on these forums.
Chris
And it you are hunting an area that is littered with trash. You will become frustrated.
Try find some 1940s-50s-60s tract housing and try get permission there. Better yet if you live in such a house, or have friends and family that you can ask. Generally older houses will have older coins but will have attracted other MDer's over the years AND will have been resided/roofed/trash burned over the years and will have lots of iron and other junk to deal with.
Newer housing suffers from neither of the above problems but will still hold some silver coins, and wheats, at reasonable depths, without nearly as much trash.
Finding stuff is a real confidence builder. It will be some time before you get proficient enough to pull a seated coin from 9 inches between 17 nails. But it can be done if you keep at it. There are many years of proof of this on these forums.
Chris
I totally agree with all of the above. I had a Garret before my SE and I have only had my SE for about three weeks. The first two weeks I literally wanted to call up the guy I bought it from and ask him if he would take it back. Sooooo frustrating, but I just kept making myself leave the Garret I was comfortable with at home and taking out the minelab and then one day about a week and a half ago it started to click and all of a sudden I am in love with the machine. Even though I am still a long ways from completely proficient with it I am finding lots of good stuff I know I would not have found without out it and the sounds tell you so much more than the machines I have had in the past. I can only compare it with maybe learning to play the guitar, frustrating and hard, but totally worth it. One thing that helped a lot was watching the videos of guys who are really good with the machine. In particular I recomend "CAPT SE"s videos as he makes a point of letting you see and hear how the targets hit before he digs.
Chris,
excellent advice. You are right: If someone is attempting to learn the explorer (or any other machine for that matter) in an area that has very few 4-star textbook deepie signals left, then they will never develope a pattern in their mind. Because if it's only "one over here", and then 25 minutes later "one over there", etc...., then they will not have been back-to-back enough to develope a pattern in the mind. They will just be random tooty flootys that can not be compared quickly to other surround shallow coins, junk, etc...
So the best way to learn is to go to a prolific place, even if it means going to virgin yards (and only for '40s/50's common wheaties), becuase once you gotten 10 or 15 deepie easy whispers, then the "lights go on", and your mind becomes tuned to look for those characteristics, in more harder hit sites.
excellent advice. You are right: If someone is attempting to learn the explorer (or any other machine for that matter) in an area that has very few 4-star textbook deepie signals left, then they will never develope a pattern in their mind. Because if it's only "one over here", and then 25 minutes later "one over there", etc...., then they will not have been back-to-back enough to develope a pattern in the mind. They will just be random tooty flootys that can not be compared quickly to other surround shallow coins, junk, etc...
So the best way to learn is to go to a prolific place, even if it means going to virgin yards (and only for '40s/50's common wheaties), becuase once you gotten 10 or 15 deepie easy whispers, then the "lights go on", and your mind becomes tuned to look for those characteristics, in more harder hit sites.
A lot more guys are making vids now on their Explorer/E-Trac hunts. I will never get tired of watching the videos where the hunter will let the audience listen to the signal before his films his dig. Very exciting!!!!
Great points from many experienced Explorer Gurus here!!
Don't give up with the machine. It will take longer for some to learn the Explorer series detectors. For others, it will click right away. Patience is the key to success with the Explorer series. I can't emphasize that enough. And as many have said in the past......slow way down on your swinging, and make sure you don't lift up your coil at the end of your swings. Listen to every signal in the ground as you swing past it. And once you've located a potential diggable target, try to isolate it by making shorter, back and forth (aka Minelab Wiggle technique) swings over the target to help you commit that sweet, flute-like sound to your memory bank.
Good luck to ALL!!
HH,
CAPTN SE
Dan
Great points from many experienced Explorer Gurus here!!
Don't give up with the machine. It will take longer for some to learn the Explorer series detectors. For others, it will click right away. Patience is the key to success with the Explorer series. I can't emphasize that enough. And as many have said in the past......slow way down on your swinging, and make sure you don't lift up your coil at the end of your swings. Listen to every signal in the ground as you swing past it. And once you've located a potential diggable target, try to isolate it by making shorter, back and forth (aka Minelab Wiggle technique) swings over the target to help you commit that sweet, flute-like sound to your memory bank.
Good luck to ALL!!
HH,
CAPTN SE
Dan
bryce has it nailed down..
go slow ..........its not an mxt...
every detector has a swing speed that will produce best results...
explorers are slow..at times where there are plentiful targets i push the coil instead of swinging from left to right
go in factory preset and turn down the sensitivity if it driving you crazy and bump it up slowly as you get used to the machine..
remember ....slow....its not a whites
go slow ..........its not an mxt...
every detector has a swing speed that will produce best results...
explorers are slow..at times where there are plentiful targets i push the coil instead of swinging from left to right
go in factory preset and turn down the sensitivity if it driving you crazy and bump it up slowly as you get used to the machine..
remember ....slow....its not a whites
dewcon4414
Well-known member
Dont be afraid of looking at the screen. You will notice about 80% of everything you want to dig is in the upper right quarter. Thats what i started out digging and i dug a lot just to see what the difference was in sound. Use the smartscreen.... might as well start out doing it the easiest way. If you use the digital along with the tones you will always second guess yourself and pass up targets because you had a deep target where digital screen was constantly bouncing. You will soon notice targets closer to the surface are loud and you will dig a lot of pennies... but you will learn where they fall quickly. My best advice is "never sell a machine until it pays for its self". By then you know your machine.
Dew
Dew
millingtime
New member
Thank you for the info
millingtime
New member
How and where do i find these capt se videos? And thanx for the good info!!!!!!!