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pull tabs and the sovereign gt

Jiminsandiego

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Hello everyone. This is my first post on this site. Pretty typical... got a gt and trying to get the most out of her. Already got some nice finds here in San Diego (merc dime at LaJolla cove!, gold wedding band, silver indian ring ect) Anyway... pulltabs.. damn them!
So I take a nickel, turn notch counter clockwise till it nulls out and then beyond to where it gives a clear signal ( about 3:30). This will allow my gold ring, silver ring and clad coins to signal. At this setting about 80% of the pul tabs will be "notched out".
So.... has anyone else gone down this path? Basically is there a better way to discriminate out the PULL TABS. All metal gives a distinct signal on them near the surface but not so deeper. I'm using $60 headphones, would the grey ghosts help? Maybe a 180 meter?
I can tell foil and bottle caps but I am digging all the higher tones especially at the beach.
Any input would be much appreciated.
Cheers,
Jim
 
If you notch out them tabs , then you will undoubtdly be notching out small gold rings and lots of rings that contain stones.....you gotta dig them tabs to insure you dont miss any gold.......good luck
 
I don't think the headphones are the problem. A 180 meter will help but it wont make the problem go away. Different types of tabs will also give different numbers. But you can eliminate the most common ones. I don't mind giving up nickels but rings are another story. Good luck with this one.
 
Pull tabs are the nessesary evil that lurks underground ....The problem is that there are so many types of pull tabs and they come in a pretty broad range .......If I dig pull tabs , I just continue to tell myself that I am in the Gold ring range and will sooner or later pull a gold ring ....Jim

Look up this thread ....Good Read ....It's only a few pages away in this forum ......Jim

"Splitting Hairs On Ring VDI Numbers"
 
adam in cal said:
If you notch out them tabs , then you will undoubtdly be notching out small gold rings and lots of rings that contain stones.....you gotta dig them tabs to insure you dont miss any gold.......good luck
Very True! if you notch out ANY pull tabs,there are some Gold Rings that will be missed.
 
I detect in Atlantique Cost in France Only Discri0, Notch0, All-Metal, and make for every sound Control with Iron Mask-On,
et de faire pour tous les sons de contr
 
A thing to remember about those pesky pull tabs is; pull tabs mean that there was people there that
was active doing something, playing ball, throwing a frizzbe , etc. and what ever it was, they worked
up a thirst. Better yet, maybe they was drinking beer and did a little more than play nice with each other.
People that are active = Things that are lost ! ( no matter what they were drinking )
Now don't you feel better about those #%^*@#!! TABS! I do.
 
Dig up my thread on splitting hairs on ring VDI numbers. In a nutshell, 80% of all round and square tabs will be between 152 and 165 on the meter. Find a 165 target and raise the notch to where it JUST silences the 165 target and the notch's width should then kill from there down to about 152.5, eliminating 80% of all tabs. You can slightly raise or lower the notch at a specific site where say there seem to be more tabs slightly above 165, or slightly lower than 152. Raising it to just kill 165 and thus down to 152.5 seems to work best for most of my areas. And, despite what people think, most rings are NOT in the tab range. There are no more in that range than there are anywhere else, like say from 75 to 152, or 166 up to around a zinc penny. I've said it endless times but unless you plan to dig each and every pull tab out of a large area and make that your life's work for the next 30 years then why dig those? You can still recover I think 75% or more (from memory, see that thread) of the gold rings and thus vastly increase your ring to trash ratio. The other important thing is sound. Rings will mostly sound smooth, soft, and round, and the VDI won't bounce around like trash.

Not a lot of tabs around at a site? Then by all means dig all of them. Billions of them? You take the next 20 years to dig them all out of there and in the mean time I'll have beat you to most of the gold rings by not digging the tab numbers.
 
Critter Hunter is right if you will really concentrate on gold tones there is a distinct difference between gold and most tabs. Take a gold band and maybe an ear ring with you and after you dig a few tabs from the area lay them down and sweep them. Everybody digs tabs but you sure don't have to dig all of them. You will dig gold and tabs in the same hole sometimes but gold and silver signals repeat at any angle you sweep them tabs won't. If you notch out 50% you've saved a lot of time. When your coil goes across any precious metal that minelab will knock your ears off and you will know what it is. HH :minelab:
 
The Sovereign has the best audio for gold (suttle telling traits) and an expanded VDI in the lower (gold) portion of the scale that's just about as perfect in balance as it gets for ring hunting while avoiding common junk numbers. Those two facts along with it's ability to hit hard on gold (and coins) deeper than pretty much any other machine on the market are what make it king of the hill for both hunting old coins or gold rings. The MXT/M6 have a good gold ring reputation due to their VDI but they have slightly LESS resolution in that area of the scale than the Sovereign. I found the Explorer's VDI to have too much resolution and thus trying to develop a pattern of tabs versus gold was pretty much impossible. Then there are most other machines on the market which don't have enough resolution to be able to split hairs on rings versus tabs easily. The Sovereign has the best VDI for this IMHO (not too high and not too low), and it has audio that is capable enough to show a difference in how a gold ring sounds compared to a pull tab with even the exact same VDI #. Practice that, learn it, and take advantage of the awesome audio/VDI this machine is offering you to improve your ring to trash ratio.

One of the oldest "slogans" or "rules of thumb" in the world of detecting is that if you want gold rings then dig the nickel zone. I always was suspicious of that and proved it to be wrong with the Splitting Hairs On Ring VDI #'s thread by doing the research and compiling the numbers. Same deal with people saying most of the gold rings fall in the tab range. Not true either. The truth is they are spread just about evenly over a wide range of the scale from about 75 or so up to about the penny range. That's where the majority fall, and not really more heavy in one area of numbers than any other. So why this old myth about dig the nickel zone or dig the tab zone? I feel that's mainly due to most machines not having the expanded resolution in this area of the scale in order to tell the difference. In other words, a large portion of their scale is "FOIL" and so a bunch of rings fall there. Another large portion of their meter scale is "Nickle" and so they saw a lot of rings fall there. Still yet another big chunk of many machine's scales are "Tabs" and so of course many rings fall there. They aren't advanced enough to split all these target's into separate VDI numbers to really show a difference between them. But guess what? The Sovereign IS, and even if you don't like relying on VDI #s then you've also got the best audio IMHO to tell the good from the bad. Dig the round/warm/smooth/soft targets (and they'll normally have a stable VDI # that doesn't jump around). Those will be the gold rings, old buttons, and other good finds. If you do any kind of practice with junk foil, tabs, and gold rings and other good finds (like buttons) you'll quickly see the difference. Even the same VDI number in a tab won't sound as good as the gold ring that matches that number.

To ward off the "dig it all" crowd let me once again repeat my disclaimer- I'm not saying that you shouldn't dig it all on the beach or in an area that isn't large and loaded with tabs. You'd be wise to dig all signals in those situations when being able to dig them all is a realistic goal. All I'm saying is why fool yourself in a large park with thousands of tabs when you know darn well you'll never dig each and every tab out of there in 20 years. In that case, just like in Vegas, I say play the odds. Beat the other guys to most of the gold rings by avoiding the tabs.

On the other hand, sometimes there is another effective strategy in a large place like this. Locate a likely activity spot such as an open area where they might play Frisbee in that park. Pick a 60 foot square area or something right in the middle of it and dig any and all signals above iron. Not only might you recover a gold ring or two, but you might also get a few old coins that were masked by the trash above them.

Beyond all that, my other favorite way to avoid tabs and still get the gold rings is to "travel back in time". Meaning, figure out how deep the tabs go at that site (which will be round tabs if the site is old enough) and then dig each and every "tab" signal that sounds deeper than that. If they only go down say 7" then dig any tab signals that sound deeper. Not only do you improve your odds and avoid most tabs by doing that, but you might also come up with the odd coin or other good item that read that low due to masking, minerals, or orientation in the ground. You can even refine this method. Let's say only 10% of the round tabs are 7" deep. That number is low enough for me to dig any "round tab" signal at that depth because it's not like I'll be bending down and digging billions of those every five feet. Again, use your head, your eyes, and your ears in order to tilt the odds in your favor. At least to me it makes absolutely no sense at all to blindly dig each and every signal without any thought or criteria to improve your odds in the process....Unless like I said you plan to neglect your wife, work, and kids and make digging all those tabs your only goal in life.

(Disclaimer- Half the people reading this won't find it to be useful at all and the other half will think it's a dumb theory. I really don't care either way so next time hit the scroll bar much earlier and save yourself the trouble. :chase::throw: ) Seriously, dig up that old thread on Splitting Hairs on Ring VDI numbers. Really look at those numbers and think about the possibilities. I'm not just throwing this out there for the sake of making conversation..........for once. :lmfao:
 
You guys can dig whatever tones you like , but I'll waste my time and dig everything in the Gold Range !!! ......

I was huning my FIRST beach hunt with a Minelab Safari ....I was picking up clad and some trinkets to keep me interested .....I was digging constant 12/15 PULLTABS ALL AFTERNOON !! .....i had to have dug 50-100 pull tabs and that was just in the afternoon ...These tabs all sounded SOLID AS A ROCK and did not waiver in the least ....They sounded so good , I knew every time that I was gonna have a ring ....I had a ring alright ....A PULL TAB RING !!!......I was tired and told my buddy that I was exhausted and I was gonna go to the car ....He agreed ....We walked toward the car and I got one last 12/15 signal and I was too tired to even scoop it ....I passed on it ...My buddy asked me what it was , I told him " It's another dfalkgajlakdgjlk PUlLL TAB ....He told me to dig it ....I told him he could have my last pull tab and pointed to the area .....He took 3 scoops of sand and said " You're gonna be pissed " ....... He pulled out a 13 gram Platinum Mens Wedding band !!!..... I'll NEVER forget this as long as I swing a detector ......I'll dig pull tabs thank you, and one day, I will be glad that I did .....Jim
 
In the sand it makes perfect since to scoop each and every signal because it's so easy to do with a sand scoop. I'd never argue otherwise at the beach. However, I have heard of those beach bars where one specific tab is laying around by the thousands in the sand. In that case I'd just make a mental note of that tab number and then dig everything else. I wouldn't want to use a notch in that case because you wouldn't just be blocking out that number but also others below it.

The biggest mistake people do with the notch is not think about the span of numbers it's blocking. Set it wrong (at say just up to somewhere in the 150's) and now you are also blocking out nickles in the 140-148 number range. I've read of people finding one pesky tab in an area and so they raise their notch to just kill it without any thought about what else they are killing below that number. A more logical approach would be to raise it above that tab number so that the entire notch width (which is about 12.5 digits wide on my GT) is only killing the most common range of tab (or other trash) numbers that the area is loaded with.

Mainly I love the notch when ring hunting because it quiets the machine down and let's me concentrate on each and every other signal. If the area is really bad with foil and other trash then I'll further discriminate by raising the discrimination up to kill everything up to about 90 or 95 on the dial. That will eliminate most foil and bits of aluminum. If the trash is still driving me nuts I'll then further discriminate by ear and only dig the stable VDI #s that sound warm/smooth/round/soft.

I look at not using the notch in a high trash location much like trying to listen to five conversations at once. You never really "hear" any of them and never learn anything. By using the notch not only are you narrowing down your concentration, but I feel you are more apt to hear other targets such as deep coins or nickles. I've already said my nickle count seems to go way up when I'm running the notch. You know why? Not only because I'm paying more attention to what I do hear now, but also because most machines can't split those kinds of hairs on nickles versus tabs, and so people wander right through them and don't dig any of it.

Also, I remember reading at least in two locations about guys hitting on a 166 signal, which is in the tab range but pretty much the more rare of tab numbers. Still, they noticed that this "tab" sounded deeper, softer, smoother, and just plain different than the 166 tabs the site had. One of these targets turned out to be a silver 3 cent piece but I can't remember what the other good find some other guy said he got.
 
That particular day , I was using a scoop that I borrowed from my buddy ....It was his "xtra" scoop that he had laying around ....It was very small and fragile, and I had to dig and dig and dig even if it was only sand .....I was BUSHED at the end of the day, and if I had ANY incling that I could have been pulling a Platinum ring , you can be sure that I would have dug it .....His scoop was 3 scoops full ....and his was a BIG scoop .....I would have had to dig very carefully and it would have been at least 7 or 8 scoops for a PULL TAB whch I had been digging all day ...It sounded EXACTLY the same as a Pull Tab .....That's why I walked away from it .....NEVER AGAIN ...and now I have my own BIG beach scoop !!..... I may have lost that one particular battle, but the WAR rages on !!!....LOL !!.....Jim
 
That's the way it goes some times when luck. I remember years ago reading about a guy who was hunting in some woods where the area was loaded with a specific bullet casing that gave a specific VDI ID. If I remember right he said something like "this is the last one I'm going to dig" and it turned out to be a gold ring. I wish I could dig up that story in my old detecting magazines because it stuck in my mind as a great story.

I went back to the Splitting Hairs On Ring VDI #'s thread to refresh my memory. By raising the notch to where it just kills 165 and thus (at least on my machine) down to about 152.5 you'll be killing about 84% of all round and square tabs. Yesterday for about a half hour when running the S-5 coil even though I was mainly old coin hunting I decided to grid a couple rows digging it all in the hopes for a ring. I quickly found out that there were a ton of round tabs reading 169 on the scale, but not so many tabs around 150 to 155 or so, so I raised the notch to just kill 169 and 12.5 digits down from there. Despite a sea of tabs (of every type ever invented....never seen such a trashy old park this lousy with tabs of all shapes and sizes), I managed to limit my tabs dug down to 4 or 5 after that were as I gurantee you I would have dug 30 or 40 in those gridded rows. I wanted to get back to coin hunting with no discrimination or notch anyway so this made it possible to do a short half hour ring hunt without pulling my hair out due to all the tab signals. Setting the notch properly you'll still recover 75% of all medium gold rings, which are the most common ring type. I like those odds.
 
Critter,
I'm fortunate to live in an area where I can hunt parks , and in 20 minutes be on the beach with my detector .....The parks are mostly OLD parks ......I'm more looking for , and tune my ears for , those HI pitches that jump out as there is a good chance that it's Sliver, or at least higher currency clad ..... Old wheats come into play also .... RARELY will I pull Gold out of the parks .....My ears are more tuned for Gold at the beach ... It would be interesting to know the actual ratio of gold found on the beach as compared to what is found at parks .... One thing you might want to consider when avoiding pull tabs, even if there are millions of them .......I have found on the beach that when I run into an area where there are a lot of pull tabs , that someone had to throw them there ......Maybe it was a large number of people hanging out in that area ..... Who looses jewelry on the beach ? ....PEOPLE ......Maybe they are playing volley ball ...??????.....Maybe they are looseing jewelry ? .......Most of the times that I find clad on the beach is when there are pull tabs in the same area .... People who sit on towels at the beach , drink soda or beer ....Tabs get thrown in the sand ...The people get hot , take their jewelry off so they don't loose it and put it on a blanket .along with coins and whatever else is in their pocket .......They come back after cooling off in the ocean and forget about their belongings and next thing you know , they are picking up their towels to go home ......ENTER DETECTORIST !!!.......Jim
 
While I don't own one (did for a short time several years ago) if you are near a beach, then hunt in the water. The sov does better than almost any other detector in these conditions and gold rings weigh a lot more than a pull tab. That means that they are a lot less likely to be washed away than a pull tab. Mind you, if you go too deep, you may wish that your sov was actually an Excal! Check the ruts where the water goes out in.
Mick Evans.
 
Mick,
I got he ruts, the tides , and the towel lines down pat !!.....Thanks for the advise though ...It's appreciated ...Now if that darn Sovereign would get here !!!....:rage:......Jim
 
I know what you mean about usually listening for the high tones when hunting parks. Most of the time when I'm old coin hunting I am only doing that. On days when I'm in the mood to try to find some rings that's mainly what I listen for and tune my ears to hearing. It's either one or the other for me, particularly in trashy sites where there are just too many signals to split your efforts and attention between rings and coins. I guess the only "ring" hunting you could say I do when old coin hunting is digging any good nickle signals for potential old Buffalo's or Vs. When I decide it's time to ring hunt then those lower sounds is where my brain is paying attention, but that's not to say that I don't hear the deep high pitch of a coin and go ahead and dig that. I just feel if you divide your attention between the two you never do well that day with either one of them. In a yard or something, though, where the amount of trash is real low then I find it very easy to do both things (dig the ring and coin signals) without feeling that I'm not working myself to full potential. Far less noise to confuse or distract me.

It's interesting that you brought up the dry sand ring hunting thing because I was going to ask about that. My water and beach hunting experience is far more limited in scope than my old coin or even land ring hunting goes. Thus far I've dug more rings in the dry sand and remember that I'm on the great lakes where we don't have tides so that dry sand never sees water. Anyway, I've thought about the same possibilities (people putting rings on their towels or a ring slipping off when using sun tan lotion, playing Frisbee, and so on). What I'm wondering is if this type of hunting (high and dry) has as high of a probability to produce rings as it would be in the water. Heck, even something who's been swimming for a while and so their fingers are shriveling up might not lose that ring until they start walking up the beach swinging there arms in normal walking fashion.

What I wonder is do people think just as many rings are dropped on the dry sand as they are in the water? Remember too that less people water hunt so that can explain why more rings are found by a guy in the water since there is more competition on the beach. I'm not talking ocean tide action here where the rings could be lost in the water. I'm talking about all the above activities including volley ball, building sand castles with their kids, or even hiding their keys and rings in the sand while they swim.

You're question about the amount of rings lost in a park versus at the beach is an interesting one. For sure there is more trash to rings in a park but that's mainly because at the beach it's far less effort to scoop up and and all signals for people. For that reason I would suspect that even if the amount of rings dropped in a park is less by comparison there might very well be more rings sitting around at park X than beach X waiting to be found, simply because it's much more work to dig rather than scoop. Then again, as others have said there are areas on land where the odds for ring loss go up. Sporting fields, under bleachers (people clapping their hands cheering for the team), play grounds (some mom's only form of physical activity is taking the kid to play at the corner play ground), horse shoe pits, and other places like that would increase your chances of rings being dropped. It's also a numbers game. I've found a lot of rings in people's yards. Are they lost there more often than at the park? Probably not, but there is also a lot less trash in most yards so the odds of ring finds go up.

One other thing I'd say is that when I'm old coin hunting I don't use any discrimination or notch. I want to hear everything and train my ear to search for those high blips, or also to investigate those lower "junk" signals that are deep in the hopes they they will ID as coins with the proper investigation. If you'd be running a notch or discrimination often you might not hear the masked or deep coin to further check into. But, when I'm ring hunt on land and if the area is loaded with tabs and foil I'll use the notch and crank the discrimination up to about 90 to kill most bits of foil and aluminum. I find in that case that besides improving my ring to trash ratio it also helps with my concentration to check out and dig any other potential signals. When coin hunting rarely will I use any discrimination or notch, and that's only when the amount of trash and iron is so bad that the site is pretty much unhuntable otherwise. That's also a good time to crank the discrimination all the way up and go into "silver mode", but these bad of spots are few and far between for a Sovereign where it gets that bad.


If anybody just dry sand hunts I'd love to hear your opinion on the amount of rings lost compared to the water or the above other land locations.
 
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