I've had my eye on the Golden because of the ED-180 and I've heard it has a fast response. Well, I got a 5.75" coil and put it on my Royal Sabre and put it back into service and dang! it's fast in response and I think I don't really have any reason for the Golden. I can even get the tones to split at tabs in normal discrimate and have three tones for id. And it just murdered the nickels in the notch mode. Any reason anyone can think of that may change my mind.?
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Pot shot question =has anyone ever used BOTH a Golden umax AND a Royal sabre?
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Joel-Winnipeg
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Get it as a backup detector
LittleJohn
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if the sabre is doing all that...why bother with a golden? If you have money just falling out of your pockets and dont know what to do with it....that I can help you out with...
THAT'S my thinking. I have been so concerned about missing teeny gold that I think I'm letting this stuff about the discrimination presets and target masking influence my doubts about my detectors. I have found one tiny ring with my Silver umax at min disc. and just didn't think to see how the Royal would react as it gave a faint signal. Besides, if you were looking for money that's worthwhile for gold, wouldn't it have to at least have some weight and substance to bring a sizeable amount of cash?LittleJohn said:if the sabre is doing all that...why bother with a golden? If you have money just falling out of your pockets and dont know what to do with it....that I can help you out with...
Actually, I have used every golden and royal sabre that Tesoro has produced. I have been using Tesoros since 1989 faithfully. My absolute fav is the Golden Sabre Plus, absolutely love em, have 2 of em. Royal is an excellent machine in its own right - very crisp target id and a nice, stable coin detecting machine and is great on nickels like Tesoros usually are.
I have owned a Golden uMax too - I'm sorry, but I feel that this machine is very overrated. I will give my reasons below:
1. Fixed and non-changeable notch - you cannot notch out what you want, it is preset to notch pulltabs. And where do a lot of the best rings fall - pulltabs range.
2. Tones are not changeable - they picked like 600 Hz for the high tone (coins), and like 400, 450, and 500 Hz for the other three tones(iron, tabs, nickels). Good luck telling the differences between tones #1,2, and 3. The only 1 I could tell consistently was the highest one - and I would say that my ears are pretty good - Tesoro's choice of audio frequencies
just made this a chore
.
3. Detector hit equally hard on all most trash targets - again I had a lot of trouble telling a nickel from small foil or can slaw by audio signal strength - not by tone mind you - that point I addressed in Item #2.
4. Iron picks up too well, even at a disc setting well above iron - you are forced to push the disc even higher to knock out the chirpy iron hits.
Depth ability was decent but not great, and the weight of the uMax machines is just fabulous - but other than that I just didn't enjoy the machine.
I know there are users out there and for their own reasons absolutely love the Golden UMax - but for me it just didn't jibe. I wish Tesoro would just adopt the Golden Sabre Plus or
Golden Sabre II design for the notch and tones - which has just two easily distinguishable tones with fully adjustable notch - plus the notch reject, accept, or off switch. If they put this notch design into a Vaquero or Tejon circuit, you would have one hell of a great machine. So, come on Tesoro - make 1 like this so I don't have to make the mods myself and void my warranty in the process!!!
Aside from my tangent discussion, I feel that your Royal does not have any of the 4 issues I have found with the Golden - so I would stick with it. You may want to consider getting another older Tesoro as a secondary machine though. My recommendations are the Golden Sabre Plus (first) and Golden Sabre II (second) - they are just as good as the Royal I feel. There are some other notching/id machines that Tesoro has made such as the Pantera (circa 1991) that I have heard good reviews about, but have not yet had the experience to use.
Anyway, this is my two cents, i hope it helps you decide what's best for you.
Mark
I have owned a Golden uMax too - I'm sorry, but I feel that this machine is very overrated. I will give my reasons below:
1. Fixed and non-changeable notch - you cannot notch out what you want, it is preset to notch pulltabs. And where do a lot of the best rings fall - pulltabs range.
2. Tones are not changeable - they picked like 600 Hz for the high tone (coins), and like 400, 450, and 500 Hz for the other three tones(iron, tabs, nickels). Good luck telling the differences between tones #1,2, and 3. The only 1 I could tell consistently was the highest one - and I would say that my ears are pretty good - Tesoro's choice of audio frequencies
just made this a chore
.3. Detector hit equally hard on all most trash targets - again I had a lot of trouble telling a nickel from small foil or can slaw by audio signal strength - not by tone mind you - that point I addressed in Item #2.
4. Iron picks up too well, even at a disc setting well above iron - you are forced to push the disc even higher to knock out the chirpy iron hits.
Depth ability was decent but not great, and the weight of the uMax machines is just fabulous - but other than that I just didn't enjoy the machine.
I know there are users out there and for their own reasons absolutely love the Golden UMax - but for me it just didn't jibe. I wish Tesoro would just adopt the Golden Sabre Plus or
Golden Sabre II design for the notch and tones - which has just two easily distinguishable tones with fully adjustable notch - plus the notch reject, accept, or off switch. If they put this notch design into a Vaquero or Tejon circuit, you would have one hell of a great machine. So, come on Tesoro - make 1 like this so I don't have to make the mods myself and void my warranty in the process!!!
Aside from my tangent discussion, I feel that your Royal does not have any of the 4 issues I have found with the Golden - so I would stick with it. You may want to consider getting another older Tesoro as a secondary machine though. My recommendations are the Golden Sabre Plus (first) and Golden Sabre II (second) - they are just as good as the Royal I feel. There are some other notching/id machines that Tesoro has made such as the Pantera (circa 1991) that I have heard good reviews about, but have not yet had the experience to use.
Anyway, this is my two cents, i hope it helps you decide what's best for you.
Mark
Thanks, Mark. I will do that. I was misled, I guess. I understood the tones COULD be changed by rotating one of the other knobs while in std. disc. (notch width,, I believe) to where some trash will split tones instead of the regular single tone for the trash. I also realize the notch function is for tabs and felt that I could narrow the notch to the most common tab with the Golden instead of the preset width of the Royal.