Pickup truck Bed spray for coil,,,thank you

[Critterhunter]

Yea, my 10" I just did with 3 or 4 coats looks like that's the factory bottom to it, even better I think. It's got the perfect texture/color. I used Rustoleum's spray on bed liner from Home Depot or Lowes. Before I used it I sprayed 6 or 7 coats onto a newspaper and then swung my coil over that after it dried in All Metal to be darn sure there was no kind of metal or minerals in the paint that might cause the detector to react in any way, possibly lowering performance. Nothing was present but if you aren't using the Rustoleum I used then I'd do the test again. Some paints have zinc or other minerals/metals in them to retard rust.

Just taped up my 15x12 coil today and gave it it's first coat. Plan to give it 3 or 4 coats about two hours apart in the sun, then let it sit a whole day in the sun to insure a good cure. Even still, when it's sitting somewhere or on the coil for the next 4 or 5 days I'd play it safe and not put it flat on anything. Keep it flipped upside down until you know it's super hard.

I read everything I could find on using spray on liner in the beach forum and everybody pretty much said no need to sand or scuff up the coil bottom/sides. Only thing I did was wipe the coil down with a paper towel to get any finger oils off it after taping it up with painter's tape. If you want to be particular about it then head up to the Auto parts store and pick up one of those tacky body towels (they have a sticky residue in them) that are meant for wiping down a car body before painting. They are only like a buck or two and will do a good job of removing oils/dust on surfaces. The coil bottom being epoxy and the sides of the coil being a poress surface really gives a good bond to the spray on liner without the need to sand or scuff from what I've read. If you do decide to sand the thing then be very careful to remove all remnants of the sandpaper grit. A lot of sandpapers contain metallic grit and not sand. I wouldn't want any of those particulars trapped in scuffs on the coil myself.

Some in the beach forum are using Epoxy. It's harder to work with, more prone to chipping, and if you don't get the mixture just right it will stay a bit soft. Also, it weighs much more than spray on liner. 3 or 4 coats of this stuff and you are only talking grams of weight here.

I mainly did this spray on liner thing to save a bit more weight on my coils, but not having to remove and clean coil covers is a big bonus as well. Also, down the road if you want to sell the coil either throw the coil cover back on or give it a like mist of liner again. It looks as good or better than the factory. While you're at it back off the coil nut and then put some Shoe Goo around the threads and top inside the boot where the wires come out, then hand tighten it back down. Once done I gave mine just a quarter turn more with a wrench. That will insure no way for water to possibly enter the coil.

I will make sure and pass this on to the other painters I work with. I guess all the prep time weve been putting in for epoxies, stains and paints has been for naught. I think I should contact the people who do the beds of trucks also, all that sanding isnt necessary there either.

I dont know why you always insist on your ways as being the only ways when we should all be putting up info that is indeed true and best for all and based as much on possible on experience.

Well, I guess Ive got to go scrape my coils clean and track down some rustoleum bedliner that YOU have tested and CERTIFIED as the product to use and apply it to my coils.

Ease up a bit will you, there are others out here who do know what they are doing.

Whoa there partner. Don't believe I was inisting on anything and also don't claim to be an expert. What I was trying to relay is what *I* have read from others and nothing more. You are probably the first I've seen say that it's important to sand the coil as far as I can remember. When I looked into this a few months back I did a search in all the forums on here including the beach forum, on the net, and at other sites. As you probably know by now I like to gather as much information as possibly on a subject (printed out a stack about an inch thick) and then read over the expert advice of others to base my decisions on when it comes to a subject I have little or no personal experience with. Yes, I before I read all that material I would have assumed to that it would be very important to sand the coil as that's typical for just about any type of painting. However, everything I can remember reading where this was asked specifically said there was no need to do this due to the type of surface the coil already has. They said just wipe it down with a towel to remove any dust/dirt/finger oils.

I happen to have some experience in spray on bed liners, including Rhino linings which are about the best there is. One of my former customers to my business did this for a living and many a time I've watched and talked with him as he did a truck. The reason why the bed is sanded is because it's a shiny painted surface with clear coat and probably wax, which wouldn't allow the bed liner to stick well. Regardless, he still didn't even sand the entire bed. I asked him about that and he said it would take hours, and that it wasn't really needed. He just needed to scuff enough of the bed here and there to allow the bed liner to grab in spots to insure it wouldn't flake off. They used an angle grinder to do this and in no way even got close to sanding the entire bed, or even doing it uniformly over the spots they did do. Now, before somebody says that it would fail in a year or two and he's just trying to save time and money...This is a nation wide chain of auto detailers. Had my last truck bed done there and they guarantee it against pealing of flaking. Since he owns the store I doubt he'd cut corners if he had to re-spray the liner for free down the road.

If you feel the need to sand it then knock yourself out. I would have too had I not done the research so that saved me the labor. It's also less hassle having to make sure it's sanding where the spray on liner will go and not where no paint will be, which would degrade the looks a bit. I'm only trying to pass along the sum of what I've read so that people can make their own judgements where to go from there. Nothing more, and I'm sorry if my attempt to pass along the details was taken as a slight towards you. Wasn't intended that way. In fact, you can dig up some threads from me months ago both here, in the mods forum, and in the beach forum saying the same thing about the sanding. Just because you just now posted that you feel the need to sand doesn't change what I've been saying IMHO all along. If you look at it that way then you're the one who's trying to step on my toes. Again, no offense intended at all. Just passing along what I read by others. I would have sanded mine too had I not been helped.

As far as the Rustoleum being "certified" by me goes, is there any real call for saying something like that? In my area I could not find any of the spray on liners that were talked about in the beach forum and on other sites. I think I only saw one guy using Rustoleum and I don't think he mentioned if he tried the "spray on newspaper" test, which others were doing by the way. That's where I got the idea, because a few others mentioned they didn't trust the stuff unless they tested it with their detector. See, nothing more mysterious than that, and I doubt anybody had any other motives involved in slighting people when they came up with that, nor did I. Why would I even think that? Hope you don't either. I just would hate to see somebody use a brand that hasn't been tested and find out that they now have one giant zinc signal under the coil. That would ruin anybody's day.

If you guys do some searching in the beach forum you'll find some guys are using that plastic/rubber type tool coating material that Home Depot/Lowes sells. It's a bit heavier but the advantage to that is it comes in like yellows and reds, which looks pretty cool. Also makes it easier to flip the coil over and see if it's wearing off and time for a new coat. Some guys do the top of the coil in it so they can see it in the water easier. Others spray the top of the coil with Rain X so sand/water/mud sheet off the coil and it looks brand new when hunting in the water or rain.

 

[Critterhunter]

Wow Neil, sounds like someone got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning, i don't read any " insistance in the only way to do it" in the message, read it 3 times to make sure, more like recopulation of other users tecniques and ideas compiled into one.

cheers Critterhunter, will give it a go as soon as i can find the damn stuff this side of the pond, pickups aren't that popular over here so it may be a task to find it, i like the scoop handle idea too, was gona try Japanese heat shrink that they use on fishing rod butts but the bedliner sounds a better idea.

Exactly! I don't claim to be an expert. Just trying to report what all I could find and read on the subject. I guess one (I have many! ) major fault I have is that I dive in deep and research as much as I can on what ever happens to be of interest to me at the moment, then I like to share what I found either by reading (in this case) or doing my own testing. In this case everything I passed along is what I read and followed "blindly", since others had already done the leg work. No personal knowledge or experimentation in this instance, just pure reading/researching, so I make no claims to be all knowing on the subject. Just well read.

I'm thinking of using it to paint the next custom shaft I build for a detector. It holds up better than the appliance paint I used for my custom aluminum upper shaft on the GT, though that paint is doing very well. I kind'a like the dull tough finish the bed liner makes. Sort of reminds me of the way Whites is painting some of their new machines. Less sun light reflecting off them maybe?

 

[Critterhunter]

Wow Neil, sounds like someone got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning, i don't read any " insistance in the only way to do it" in the message, read it 3 times to make sure, more like recopulation of other users tecniques and ideas compiled into one.

cheers Critterhunter, will give it a go as soon as i can find the damn stuff this side of the pond, pickups aren't that popular over here so it may be a task to find it, i like the scoop handle idea too, was gona try Japanese heat shrink that they use on fishing rod butts but the bedliner sounds a better idea.

you would have to read the entire thread kered to see where Im coming from. I added sound advice to this thread based on experience. yes indeed, a harsh reply but theres been alot of "poser posts" by this guy and its a shame theyve lead to the belief he has the experience he trys to convey. sorry if I offended you or anyone else who reads this. clearly experience is taking a back seat to bull here at times.

Now that's really uncalled for Neil. How many times have I told people that I'm still learning this machine and in no way an expert on it? Never claimed to be one, don't claim to be one, and I don't get upset when others might think people other than me are "experts" either. By the way, since you don't know me I see no reason to make a bold and personal statement about me without anything to base it on. After all, Isn't that the very point you were trying to make in the first place when it comes to people giving opinions on subjects they know little about? Ah Ha! Gotch Ya there, didn't I? Come on, laugh a little! It's only a hobby!

On a serious note, I would never make a judgement on you since I know nothing about you, let alone a personal statement about your character. I try to treat others the way I want to be treated. Again, it wasn't my intent to rub you the wrong way and for what ever reason I'm sorry it did some how. You'll not find one personal insult against others from me in any debate on any subject. I always try to keep debate on the topic at hand. I'll argue opinions, but I won't insult somebody to prove mine. I think once or twice I have stepped over that line but it was directed at certain people digging holes and not filling them or that kind of unethical behaviour. Nobody specific on this forum. I do, however, dislike certain detectors, and I hold nothing back most of the time when I want to make a point on those. People? No, no need for that IMHO.

I watch politics and consider it as much a sport as basketball or football. What I've learned over the years is that when people start insulting you or throwing labels out there then they don't want to argue on the merits of their position. Witness how many times people are called say racists just because they say support the imigration laws in AZ right now. Don't even hear the other side trying to point to specifics in that law and argue why they are bad. They just glaze over it as being racist. That's just the latest example of how that game is played. I'm way off track here as usual but my point is that if you think it's important to sand the coil then TALK ABOUT THAT, not me. (This is in a joking manner, so don't take it otherwise please...)

 

[dfxone]

Critterhunter, well said. Cheers, GH to all. Don

 

[Critterhunter]

Done with being off topic, so here's a pic of the 15x12 ready to go back on my GT. Man I missed using this coil for the week or so I had it off...

The slight differences in color are just from finger oils as I handled the coil taking the tape off. If I wipe it clean it all looks uniform and great. Wow, I can feel the lighter weight compared to having the coil cover on.

 

[Waterman]

I use a product called EZ Liner code# 24040 Stock SEZL which I purchased from Canadian Tire here in Canada, it works great on coils. I also sprayed the handle of my S.S. scoop with it and before it dryed on the handle I added some beach sand to it for better grip. That way the handle doesn't slip around on you when its wet. Works like a darn!
Good Luck

 

[kered]

Cheers Waterman, i'm still looking for something similar here in Spain