P,I, vs VLF -ON A CIGARETTE PACK:surprised:

[kaolinwasher]

Went out to make a video ,detecting copper nuggets, but only found junk today on my way back i found a cigarette pack that set the vaquero off like a blow horn, .& by the way the VAQ is supreme when it comes to hunting copper nuggets, or relic hunting in the woods, but i came back a bit disappointed ,so thought i would do a test with the cigarette pack seeing they are one of the great nuisance Items i find when looking for gold , so hear is the test , and i can tell you i would pick a P,I machine if i was in a foil ridden park or soccer sideline if i wanted to find gold rings i was amazed at how much i could be missing with VLF running disc, ya I am not going to ignore Iron with a P I but i would rather dig some iron than 10.000 small bits of foil but having the ability to see thru a cigarette pack and hit a 14k gold ring is awesome to me .[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRrSmZ9X6hQ[/video]

 

[stasys]

Thanks for video, very interesting, did you try to increase distance between foil and ring with PI detector, smaller ring? I have to try similar experiment with my PI.

 

[Neil]

Gunnar have you ever seen tom dankowskis forum? you would enjoy it.

he has several cds, one shows how a small flake of tin that does not even register on a cz will block out the signal of a dime when the flake is placed on the ground above the dime(dime is buried I forget how many inches). He calls that silent masking and I gotta agree with him and yourself, lots of masking going on. tests like the nail board test, laying a rusty nail over a gold ring and so on often do not translate to actual field results.

Thanks for the video.

 

[kaolinwasher]

stasys, I took a smaller 10k ring that is harder to get and lifted the pack higher over the ring and yes it still came thru , I had the threshold tick a little on the slow side or it would have got better depth , kinda cool Neil ya Dankowsky got me on to this , I never knew of masking until he pointed it out and then i was very disappointed , and figured whats the use of disc i may as well dig all . but the P.I has given me some hope , but for sheer depth the vaq is not doing to badd, and i still need a VLF, [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nw06wffBqk[/video]

 

[ken ward]

That is very good information. Thank you for your work...KEN,,IND..

 

[JimmyCT]

That is an eye-opener Gunnar Amazing what most of us are walking right over due to masking. Thank you for taking the time to make very informative videos. Can you knock out nails with this PI? I know you like to dig them and all, but if this can knock out the nails on your farm, this may be a dream machine.

 

[Sven]

There's a lot folks don't realize what a PI can do and basically lump PI's into being beach, surf, prospecting and relic machine.
I think the big reason folks can't past seeing this they judge the PI on the performance using the 10" larger diameter search coils.
They can be hard to pinpoint with, go way too deep and don't separate a bunch of targets in an area very well.
You take a machine designed around small gold and gold jewelry with the right size small coil like I built and its truly
an eye opener what the PI can do in schoolyards, parks, picnic grounds and small foil infested areas. With my small coils I can pinpoint dead on most times
as if I had a VLF machine with a concentric coil. If you can't hit the target with a probing tool, it's probably junk or a coin on edge just off to the side.
I am tickled pink that there is no competition for me here. No one has really caught on to hunting areas or how to hunt areas that is deemed not hunt-able with a PI.
PI's are not for everyone, if you not a trash digger, love your VLF with ID screen with target ID, the PI probably is not for you. If you are a VLF beep and dig person that doesn't use a high discrimination setting, they PI might be a new tool option for you. PI's do take about 40 hours to really get the hang of whats going on and how the multiple adjustments interact with each other. Once you reach the understanding point, I found my PI can be literally a turn on and go machine 90% of the time.

Thanks to Gunnar's videos, you get to actually see a person new to a PI use finding that the detecting hobby is like a fresh new hobby.
Exciting with possibilities of hunted out areas are not really hunted out. There's gold to be found. The main reason for building the
Mirage is to find the gold left behind by others. May not be as deep or sensitive on silver, copper or clad coins as a VLF, that's OK, it doesn't matter
when your after gold. For those others metals we have VLF machines. My PI is no slouch when it comes to getting clad to about 7". Pictured below is mostly what I found last year
in so called VLF hunted out areas. Pictured are nickels, dimes, quarters, $1 and $2 coins. About $100 in $1 and $2 coins are not pictured, since I clean those up after hunting and use them as spending money. I do dig pennies but about 1/4 the amount I would dig with a VLF. That's fine with me, I hate pennies.

My PI is not magic just another tool.
If you are looking for a US mass produced PI to purchase take a good look at the White's TDI along with the round 7.5 Aussie Mono Coil.
You might just leave your VLF at home................

 

[dirt doctor]

WOW !! That's mind blowing . Great videos on a great machine . I knew masking was a big problem but this was really an eye opener .

 

[Neil]

There's a lot folks don't realize what a PI can do and basically lump PI's into being beach, surf, prospecting and relic machine.
I think the big reason folks can't past seeing this they judge the PI on the performance using the 10" larger diameter search coils.
They can be hard to pinpoint with, go way too deep and don't separate a bunch of targets in an area very well.
You take a machine designed around small gold and gold jewelry with the right size small coil like I built and its truly
an eye opener what the PI can do in schoolyards, parks, picnic grounds and small foil infested areas. With my small coils I can pinpoint dead on most times
as if I had a VLF machine with a concentric coil. If you can't hit the target with a probing tool, it's probably junk or a coin on edge just off to the side.
I am tickled pink that there is no competition for me here. No one has really caught on to hunting areas or how to hunt areas that is deemed not hunt-able with a PI.
PI's are not for everyone, if you not a trash digger, love your VLF with ID screen with target ID, the PI probably is not for you. If you are a VLF beep and dig person that doesn't use a high discrimination setting, they PI might be a new tool option for you. PI's do take about 40 hours to really get the hang of whats going on and how the multiple adjustments interact with each other. Once you reach the understanding point, I found my PI can be literally a turn on and go machine 90% of the time.

Thanks to Gunnar's videos, you get to actually see a person new to a PI use finding that the detecting hobby is like a fresh new hobby.
Exciting with possibilities of hunted out areas are not really hunted out. There's gold to be found. The main reason for building the
Mirage is to find the gold left behind by others. May not be as deep or sensitive on silver, copper or clad coins as a VLF, that's OK, it doesn't matter
when your after gold. For those others metals we have VLF machines. My PI is no slouch when it comes to getting clad to about 7". Pictured below is mostly what I found last year
in so called VLF hunted out areas. Pictured are nickels, dimes, quarters, $1 and $2 coins. About $100 in $1 and $2 coins are not pictured, since I clean those up after hunting and use them as spending money. I do dig pennies but about 1/4 the amount I would dig with a VLF. That's fine with me, I hate pennies.

My PI is not magic just another tool.
If you are looking for a US mass produced PI to purchase take a good look at the White's TDI along with the round 7.5 Aussie Mono Coil.
You might just leave your VLF at home................

You are so right Sven. Ive seen it asked plenty of times over the years if a PI would work in fresh water. PIs are often blindly associated with just ocean beach/salt water hunting.

 

[hartage]

I wish I could afford your PI Sven to try out, sounds like a wonderful tool for gold. But for mere mortals like myself, we have to save our pennies to afford even the mass produced PI's like whites tdi. It's great though that you are showing the established manufacturers that they can't sit on their laurels and doddle or little guys like you will catch up and maybe pass them with innovative products.

 

[Mega]

After seeing some of these videos of a PI machine being used with a small coil i feel that i am gradually drifting to use my machine much more than just the few odd times a year with a big coil for relic hunting.The rest of the year the machine would just sit in a cupboard gathering dust as i dont live near the beach etc.But some inland sites that i have access too i just cannot use a VLF machine due to the very bad ground mineralization,so by using a very much smaller coil i feel that the PI will be used much more especially when the crops come off when the stubble is still pretty stiff and only very small coils can be used,yes i will loose some depth due to the size of the coil but at least i can still detect on these sites.

I am aware that most folks in a situation like this when its harvest time would use a small stubble busting coil on a VLF and they are a winning combination but they dont work well on some of the highly mineralized sites with the stubble,this is when a PI with a small coil will wipe the board interms of finds wise.

Me personally would at one time would never have seen with a Pulse machine with such a small hockey puck on the end of the shaft but in the right situation its the right tool for the job and certainly will increase my chance of finding some decent finds when others will go home with empty finds bag,when we are talking about a prime roman site then it certainly game on.