Outlaw

[Sven]

Had it out on loan for a number of weeks. Really never got a chance to use it when it first arrived in the mail after buying it.
just spent a hour or so bench testing before it went on loan.
I know I mentioned the pinpoint button on another forum and how it confuses many at first, some don't like it. Has two positions after pressing it inwards. And serves multi functions.
So the Outlaw made its way back today, did some extensive bench testing tonight. Got the hang of the pinpoint button, just have to get used to pushing it in half way feeling for the stop or fully pressing it in all the way. Didn't like it at first, pretty neat once you get wrap your head around how it functions.

Air tests like your typical Tesoro, all metal mode is deeper than disc mode.

Hits on gold, silver and Canadian clad without any issues. Well, maybe an issue for some with the clad.
I will explain, the discrimination circuit and ED-120 disc range when set to min., will not pick up a clad coin on edge, "maybe" a click or pop, more than likely you wouldn't dig it. Other Tesoros have no issues picking any any clad on edge with a nice target sound, these Tesoros have ED-165 to ED-180 disc range. These two ranges bring the disc accept level down further into the iron zone. Clad on edge falls into the low iron range. If you set the disc level on a ED-165 or 185 Tesoro to accept a clad coin on edge, you will pick up even smaller iron junk targets in the ground. it does make for a more noisier detector. The Ed-120 detectors will not see the iron and be much quieter in operation. There is a fair amount of clad buried on edge, if your not worried about not finding it, then the Outlaw is a wonderful detector. Lets you then concentrate on flat lying clad and gold or silver. You'll be digging less iron junk.

I did have the Outlaw in the backyard this afternoon before I went detecting with a different detector. I have a US nickel buried at 8". In all metal mode, clearly hit it without a problem. In disc mode, barely got it, you might dig it and you might not. Using the 8x9 search coil.

Had the 5.75" coil on it when the Outlaw first arrived and did some testing with it. I was impressed with what it could do and can be a real good coil for coin and jewelry targets down to about 6".

I have always liked Tesoros, fun to use and its like getting back to basics without digital menus to hunt thru like modern digital detectors.
The Outlaw was one of the detectors by Tesoro I haven't tried, have the chance now to play around with one.

 

[John (Ma)]

I like the simplicity and capabilities of Tesoro as well. I'm sure as you continue to learn your detector, the more fun and success you'll have. Enjoy!

 

[Whimpster]

Sven,

I have had the same experience with my Bandido II uMax and Silver uMax...with the ED-120 disc range when set to min it won't pickup a Canadian clad dime on edge either...the Outlaw and Bandido II uMax are very much the same.
On the other hand my Mojave, Golden uMax and both Compadra's have no problem picking up a Canadian clad dime on edge... all are ED-180's....
Something to remember if your digging Canadian clad with a Tesoro.


Cheers,

HH.

 

[HaroldILL.]

Yes but if You set Disc. All the way to minimum will it Hit Coins on edge then? In other words below iron Disc.? As My Golden uMax does No Problem and it is a 120 Disc. I believe.

 

[Whimpster]

Harold,

I'm only going by my testing..a clad Canadian dime will be picked up on edge with my Golden uMax...if it's ED-120 it wouldn't....my Bandido II uMax will not pickup a Canadian dime on edge nor will my Silver uMax and it's ED-120.
The golden must go lower...I assumed it was ED-180...picks up a bread bag twist-tie at min discrimination..and it's much smaller then a clad dime on edge.
I've also heard it could be ED-165...heck just know it picks up small iron
If you get the skinny on it be nice to know...

Cheers,

HH.

Yes but if You set Disc. All the way to minimum will it Hit Coins on edge then? In other words below iron Disc.? As My Golden uMax does No Problem and it is a 120 Disc. I believe.

 

[Welgund]

The Golden is ed 120 disc. When the 8 x 11 rsd first came out I went to the local school yard with my friend and his Outlaw with the 8in donut coil and me with my Vaquero with the new RSD coil. I got lucky and hit a 1mil 14k gold women's tiny ring at approx. 3 inches that when I turned the plug up was perfectly on edge in the end of the plug. I called my friend over to show him the ring in the plug and he asked me to flip the plug back so he could check it. He could not get that ring except in all metal. The wider disc range of about 165 on the Vaquero I believe is what allowed it to hear it. I got a clear signal at the mark just above the iron mark. The ed180 disc of the Mojave, compadre and Tejon easily see that ring also.

 

[Whimpster]

Welgund,

I see it does mention it is ED-120 in the Golden uMax "OPERATOR INSTRUCTION MANUAL".....explain to me why I can pickup a bread bag twist-tie at the min setting on the Golden uMax and not the Silver uMax or the Bandido II uMax?
Same test with a Canadian clad dime?

Thanks,

The Golden is ed 120 disc. When the 8 x 11 rsd first came out I went to the local school yard with my friend and his Outlaw with the 8in donut coil and me with my Vaquero with the new RSD coil. I got lucky and hit a 1mil 14k gold women's tiny ring at approx. 3 inches that when I turned the plug up was perfectly on edge in the end of the plug. I called my friend over to show him the ring in the plug and he asked me to flip the plug back so he could check it. He could not get that ring except in all metal. The wider disc range of about 165 on the Vaquero I believe is what allowed it to hear it. I got a clear signal at the mark just above the iron mark. The ed180 disc of the Mojave, compadre and Tejon easily see that ring also.

 

[hihosilver]

Welgund,

I see it does mention it is ED-120 in the Golden uMax "OPERATOR INSTRUCTION MANUAL".....explain to me why I can pickup a bread bag twist-tie at the min setting on the Golden uMax and not the Silver uMax or the Bandido II uMax?
Same test with a Canadian clad dime?

Thanks,

The Golden is ed 120 disc. When the 8 x 11 rsd first came out I went to the local school yard with my friend and his Outlaw with the 8in donut coil and me with my Vaquero with the new RSD coil. I got lucky and hit a 1mil 14k gold women's tiny ring at approx. 3 inches that when I turned the plug up was perfectly on edge in the end of the plug. I called my friend over to show him the ring in the plug and he asked me to flip the plug back so he could check it. He could not get that ring except in all metal. The wider disc range of about 165 on the Vaquero I believe is what allowed it to hear it. I got a clear signal at the mark just above the iron mark. The ed180 disc of the Mojave, compadre and Tejon easily see that ring also.

Explain how the Golden sees what others don't.... That's easy, cuz we Golden micromax users know she's a very special machine!

 

[Welgund]

A twist tie is made out of metal, not iron or steel therefore depending on where they set the lower end of the 120 degrees of disc is where it starts. On a Bandido2 or Outlaw if they set the lower end higher it carry over to the upper end allowing you to disc out dimes but not quarters I believe. The 120 degree start point may be lower on the golden etc.

 

[pablo61]

My Outlaw has no issues picking up US clad on edge. A US Quarter will be picked up even when the disc. Is set in the silver range. The sound my not be high but it is there. The depth is not great. I noticed that a higher threshold makes the tone much clearer on these on edge coins.

 

[Whimpster]

Welgund,

I wasn't aware that the start points could be changed with ED-120...just tested the twist-tie with a magnet it sticks...it's iron or steel content.
So degrees of disc is quit low on the Golden uMax compared to the Outlaw or the Bandido II uMax or Silver uMax.......

A twist tie is made out of metal, not iron or steel therefore depending on where they set the lower end of the 120 degrees of disc is where it starts. On a Bandido2 or Outlaw if they set the lower end higher it carry over to the upper end allowing you to disc out dimes but not quarters I believe. The 120 degree start point may be lower on the golden etc.

 

[Sven]

My Outlaw has no issues picking up US clad on edge. A US Quarter will be picked up even when the disc. Is set in the silver range. The sound my not be high but it is there. The depth is not great. I noticed that a higher threshold makes the tone much clearer on these on edge coins.

Canadian clad is nickel plated steel not copper clad like the US.
You can pick it up with a magnet
A Canadian clad coin on edge looks like a piece of 1" or less piece of steel wire that is easily discriminated out.
The Tesoros do not have a problem with US clad coins on edge.

 

[Whimpster]

pablo61,

I have no problem picking up US clad on edge with any of my Tesoro's...it's the Canadian clad that's the problem...it has a steel component mix with other alloy's.

Cheers,

My Outlaw has no issues picking up US clad on edge. A US Quarter will be picked up even when the disc. Is set in the silver range. The sound my not be high but it is there. The depth is not great. I noticed that a higher threshold makes the tone much clearer on these on edge coins.

 

[pablo61]

I completely concur. Thanks for the information. Makes finding Canadian clad coins a real challenge. The Canadian dime just makes my Outlaw pop on edge.

pablo61,

I have no problem picking up US clad on edge with any of my Tesoro's...it's the Canadian clad that's the problem...it has a steel component mix with other alloy's.

Cheers,

My Outlaw has no issues picking up US clad on edge. A US Quarter will be picked up even when the disc. Is set in the silver range. The sound my not be high but it is there. The depth is not great. I noticed that a higher threshold makes the tone much clearer on these on edge coins.

 

[Sven]

I completely concur. Thanks for the information. Makes finding Canadian clad coins a real challenge. The Canadian dime just makes my Outlaw pop on edge.

That's about all I get with the Outlaw, good chance I would think that would be falsing or a disced out iron-stell. Just might be something to keep an ear open to listening for. Then investigate it. If the coin on edge is more than 2-3" away from the coil bottom, the Outlaw won't even make a click or pop on it. Most of the coins I find on edge are as deep as 5-6".
Now I understand better why I sold the Bandido II umax I last last year for a few weeks. And why I shouldn't have sold my Eldo umax 4 years ago, it had ED-180 disc range. And it found me lots of CA clad, next to nails and on edge.

So any Tesoro is great on Can. clad lying flat. If your will to dig some steel wire, hair clips to find the clad on edge...then you need to get a Tesoro that has ED-180 disc range.
And if you mostly a clad hunter/jewelry at schoolyards and parks in Canada and want to find edge clad, the Compadre is a no brainer. The Mojave might be just the meal ticket,
considering the affordable cost.

Concluded today the ED-120 Outlaw for my tastes won't cut it, think it has to go. If I lived in the US, that would be a different story, would keep it, for sure. I may have to get a Mojave..LOL Tesoro is King when it comes to small control boxes, user friendly, light weight detectors and the lower price range units have more than adequate depth for most situations I run into. There are several Beep and digs that would out muscle the Tesoros with the same features that would be tempting if it were not for the weight, larger control boxes and costing $200-300 more street price.

 

[Whimpster]

The Golden uMax gets a Canadian dime on edge.... Sven
I'm told it's uses ED-120 disc.....but it picks up a bread bag twist tie that sticks to a magnet...go figure